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Old 03-16-2003, 04:59 PM
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I received a good email from Jason @ Tempest Racing the other day saying that he had found out his Hondata Software was giving him probs (which he fixed). He asked me to come in and let him put another tune on the car, because he felt my car may not be running up to potential. Here is the result:

272.5hp and 180.2lb ft with 7.5 psi on a B16A!

Let me just say it takes an awesome tuner and excellent customer service to have the ***** to admit there might be an issue and offer to retune the car for me! Tempest gets my
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great numbers...
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just curious - what were you making before the retune?
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This was the sheet before the retune:

216.7 and 150.5
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To your numbers and the Tempest guys to do that hope to check them out this year at MIR and Dinwiddie and other East Coast events
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This was the sheet before the retune:

216.7 and 150.5
wow, what an improvement my jaw just dropped!
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what is your setup?
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I have a very hard time beleiving this. The first #'s seem more realistic IMO. Did you ever think the dyno could have been adjusted to make more power? It can be done easily on a dynojet. The car should be MUCH MUCH faster. I just have a hard time taking in a 60whp increase and 270+ out of a b16 on 7.5lbs. If those are your #'s, theyre killer.
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hmmm 200HP @ 4200PM on a B16 is great(maybe better than great). We all know how fast a b16 can get to 4200 rpm, that's almost just of idle. The boost only at 7.5 is also something else.

What was your VTEC point set at ?

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I have a very hard time beleiving this. The first #'s seem more realistic IMO. Did you ever think the dyno could have been adjusted to make more power? It can be done easily on a dynojet. The car should be MUCH MUCH faster. I just have a hard time taking in a 60whp increase and 270+ out of a b16 on 7.5lbs. If those are your #'s, theyre killer.
No, the power is definetly there. The power delivery is so much smoother, but at the same time traction is sooo much more unattainable! This thing is the fastest I have ever felt it. Yes it is MUCH MUCH faster! I was there on the dyno to watch the whole tune and watch each # post. There were just some erratic fuel curves in the first tune of the S200.
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What was your VTEC point set at ?

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Vtec is now @ 5200 I beleive.
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son of a !!!!! damn great numbers!!!
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Yeah, those are great numbers, but the hp and tq figures don't add up for some reason.
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could u please post ur set up again? the #'s look great, only thing is ur torque is steadily increasing till redline. which, even though its a b16a, is still kinda odd.
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Major difference!

Im not familar with tempest, but situations like this make lasting impressions.
A friend and I were talking about a similar topic today. Its seems a local shop finds it monitarily appeasing to take the customer for everyhting they can while they have the car in the shop. AND THATS NOT WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. The shops that are run by people that are reliable, courteous, and HONEST will aways be around for the long haul.

What do you think Eric? Would you go back to them?
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wow, that is an awesome improvement
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My setup is:
B16A... A2 Head/SiRII Jap spec block
B16B intake cam
Cam timing & Ignition timing @ stock.
Drag III (99-00 Si kit)
TiAL WG
Walbro high pressure in tank pump/ 45 psi off vaccum
RC 440's
Turbonetics MBC (needle valve)...POS!
S200/b with P28 ECU
2.5" DP 3" Exhaust...no cat
Drag III manifold....Big POS!
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That is a huge improvment. What is your setup?

Ill be going to Tempest nest sat for them to check up on a couple things.
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what turbo does the drag 3 kit come with, sorry nto too familiar with kits.
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Major difference!

Im not familar with tempest, but situations like this make lasting impressions.
A friend and I were talking about a similar topic today. Its seems a local shop finds it monitarily appeasing to take the customer for everyhting they can while they have the car in the shop. AND THATS NOT WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. The shops that are run by people that are reliable, courteous, and HONEST will aways be around for the long haul.

What do you think Eric? Would you go back to them?
Definetly I would go back to them. The had the intestinal fortitude to admit a problem and that points to excellent customer service!
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Definetly I would go back to them. The had the intestinal fortitude to admit a problem and that points to excellent customer service!
Awesome, makes me feel much better. Oh btw, do u have a a/f graph u can post up?


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you getting any boost spike?
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Something just isn't right here. With the way horsepower is derived from torque, I do not see how it is mathematicially possible that you have those HP numbers, for those torque numbers. For example, the horsepower and torque curves ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have to cross at 5252 rpm, without question. Here, they aren't even close.

Pick a point, and run the formula for horsepower. (torque*rpm)/(5252) You'll see that something is out of whack....

I hate to say it, but something is SERIOUSLY wrong over at that dyno.




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Something just isn't right here. With the way horsepower is derived from torque, I do not see how it is mathematicially possible that you have those HP numbers, for those torque numbers. For example, the horsepower and torque curves ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have to cropss at 5252 rpm, without question. Here, they aren't even close.

I hate to say it, but something is SERIOUSLY wrong over at that dyno.
Nah look at the chart the hp and torque graphs are not on the same #s, they have the dyno printing out on a diff setting, my graphs have the same #s per side where his are diff on the left side for HP and right for torque they wouldn't cross then.


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