H22 + turbo --> strengh???
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H22 + turbo --> strengh of block???
How much can hang on H22A5 block? If I have Pouter rods, wiseco forged pistons, I want to put t3/t4 turbo on it and make 1,3-1,5 bar on it (300-350 HP, 350-400 Nm of torque) - is the block going to brake? I cant find any "block guard" for H22 - do you know where to buy?
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Re: H22 + turbo --> strengh of block??? (itr_18)
First off you're going to have to sleeve the motor cause H22's have FRM (fiber reinforcement material) in the cylinder walls. So, if you want to put forged pistons in there it has to be sleeved with somekind of iron sleeves.
If money is tight just boost really low(6-9 psi) till you have funds to sleeve the motor. Hope this helps.
If money is tight just boost really low(6-9 psi) till you have funds to sleeve the motor. Hope this helps.
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Re: H22 + turbo --> strengh of block??? (itr_18)
The ringlands on the H series pistons are notorious for being weak. Usually after 9psi or so they tend to break, then it's time for a rebuild.
If you want a simple set-up, run 8psi with a boost controller, have it tuned, then enjoy the boost and be happy. FireDrake is pushing out 11psi on his h22a and putting out 311whp, but he is planning for a rebuild soon. Like I said, I do not recommend boosting above 8psi on a H series motor if this is your daily driver.
As stated before, if you want to use the forged pistons you must resleeve the block. Then i recommend getting a set of dsm 450cc injectors and running a hondata ems.
If you want a simple set-up, run 8psi with a boost controller, have it tuned, then enjoy the boost and be happy. FireDrake is pushing out 11psi on his h22a and putting out 311whp, but he is planning for a rebuild soon. Like I said, I do not recommend boosting above 8psi on a H series motor if this is your daily driver.
As stated before, if you want to use the forged pistons you must resleeve the block. Then i recommend getting a set of dsm 450cc injectors and running a hondata ems.
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Our friends company built H22A7 (Accord Type R (only in europe)) on T3/T4 Drag III turbo kit.
They boosted it to 18 psi. It is still alive... without any sleving or anything :/ For how long?
In POLAND we dont have such good specialists to bore/sleeve securely block. It is dangerous.
They boosted it to 18 psi. It is still alive... without any sleving or anything :/ For how long?
In POLAND we dont have such good specialists to bore/sleeve securely block. It is dangerous.
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We have AEM EMS and injectors, EVERYTHING for this H22. We know quite a lot about turbos. Just want to know as much as possible about H22 block. Where to buy new, better sleeves in US?
Our car is 00 ITR with H22A5:
we have made custom mounts which works with stock ITR axles (only this mid-axle is from prelude). Before my garage finished this work I saved some money and.... get "turbo" idea
I bought some stuff for this upgrade:
Garret T3/T4 turbo
SSAutochrome header
HKS Sequential BOV
custom, big FMIC
AEM EMS ECU
AEM EGT sensor
intake air temp sensor
boost controller solenoids
AEM Wideband O2 sensor kit
custom clutch
Wiseco 9.0:1 pistons
Pauter Rods
custom 3' exhaust
Our car is 00 ITR with H22A5:
we have made custom mounts which works with stock ITR axles (only this mid-axle is from prelude). Before my garage finished this work I saved some money and.... get "turbo" idea
I bought some stuff for this upgrade:
Garret T3/T4 turbo
SSAutochrome header
HKS Sequential BOV
custom, big FMIC
AEM EMS ECU
AEM EGT sensor
intake air temp sensor
boost controller solenoids
AEM Wideband O2 sensor kit
custom clutch
Wiseco 9.0:1 pistons
Pauter Rods
custom 3' exhaust
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Re: (tunedbylorange.com)
Ok, we have changed a little this project. These are specs of our car:
TURBO T04E with big trim
SSAutochrome header
HKS Sequential BOV
custom, big FMIC
AEM EMS ECU
AEM EGT sensor
intake air temp sensor
boost controller solenoids
AEM Wideband O2 sensor kit
custom clutch
Wiseco 9.0:1 pistons
Pauter Rods
custom 3' exhaust
DARTON SLEEVES
Crower springs & retainers
This mod is very uncommon here in Poland so can you spaculate for monet, what should we expect? How much power? What times on 1/4 mile?
TURBO T04E with big trim
SSAutochrome header
HKS Sequential BOV
custom, big FMIC
AEM EMS ECU
AEM EGT sensor
intake air temp sensor
boost controller solenoids
AEM Wideband O2 sensor kit
custom clutch
Wiseco 9.0:1 pistons
Pauter Rods
custom 3' exhaust
DARTON SLEEVES
Crower springs & retainers
This mod is very uncommon here in Poland so can you spaculate for monet, what should we expect? How much power? What times on 1/4 mile?
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well nice setup on that how much lbs do you want to boost if you use a 92 octane or 94 with the 9:0 is very good you can boost more .... Well I see at 14lbs some +350whp and the 1/4 miles maybe a lot of mph but the time is ???? Do you have snick -12.5 and +115mph
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You will also need:
720cc injectors (around 450whp)
880cc injectors (if you want more then 500whp)
Walbro in-tank 255 fuel pump
Head work (port and polish head + Intake Manifold) if you want more then 400whp
ARP head studs - reuseable and are a must for high whp FI applications
OEM headgasket - have worked on H series applications of up to 550whp no problem
Ignition system - stock H series ignitions tend to fall on their face after around 330whp
Race Gas - H series motors have a lower MSBC then B series motors do. This means they require a higher octane to run safely when producing X amount of power. B series can hit 450whp on pump, but if you want to go above 350whp on a H series motor, plan on running at least a 100 octane. Plus, higher octane means you can run more ignition timing... which means more power.
I highly suggest you ditch the SSauto manifold, the welds on those tend to break. I have seen it happen to my friends manifold on his sr20det. Long story short... the welds broke and a piece of metal from the manifold ruined his turbo. LoveFab and FullRace have GREAT manifolds. http://www.lovefab.com http://www.full-race.com
Darton sleeves are great, you will not be dissapointed with them. Are you planning on running a t3 or t4 turbine on the turbo? As far as big trims, I do not know what you consider to be 'big'. Also, what size intercooler are you looking at running? If you are running a t04e compressor housing you will probably want to stay with a 2 1/4" intercooler piping. If your IC has a larger outlet, simply either have the ends of the IC piping flared to the outlet size or you can purchase flared coupler fittings from http://www.atpturbo.com or http://www.turbohoses.com
The larger of a trim you go with will yield more power as far as which combinations of things you choose. I would say the motor is capable of an easy 400+whp but like i said.... it needs the right trims and combinations of parts and most importantly a tuner who knows what he is doing.
720cc injectors (around 450whp)
880cc injectors (if you want more then 500whp)
Walbro in-tank 255 fuel pump
Head work (port and polish head + Intake Manifold) if you want more then 400whp
ARP head studs - reuseable and are a must for high whp FI applications
OEM headgasket - have worked on H series applications of up to 550whp no problem
Ignition system - stock H series ignitions tend to fall on their face after around 330whp
Race Gas - H series motors have a lower MSBC then B series motors do. This means they require a higher octane to run safely when producing X amount of power. B series can hit 450whp on pump, but if you want to go above 350whp on a H series motor, plan on running at least a 100 octane. Plus, higher octane means you can run more ignition timing... which means more power.
I highly suggest you ditch the SSauto manifold, the welds on those tend to break. I have seen it happen to my friends manifold on his sr20det. Long story short... the welds broke and a piece of metal from the manifold ruined his turbo. LoveFab and FullRace have GREAT manifolds. http://www.lovefab.com http://www.full-race.com
Darton sleeves are great, you will not be dissapointed with them. Are you planning on running a t3 or t4 turbine on the turbo? As far as big trims, I do not know what you consider to be 'big'. Also, what size intercooler are you looking at running? If you are running a t04e compressor housing you will probably want to stay with a 2 1/4" intercooler piping. If your IC has a larger outlet, simply either have the ends of the IC piping flared to the outlet size or you can purchase flared coupler fittings from http://www.atpturbo.com or http://www.turbohoses.com
The larger of a trim you go with will yield more power as far as which combinations of things you choose. I would say the motor is capable of an easy 400+whp but like i said.... it needs the right trims and combinations of parts and most importantly a tuner who knows what he is doing.
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Ive more stuff, just forgot to tell (it was 4a.m. here while writing)
(thanks PrecisionH23a for remembering important details ) :
550 cc injectors (just for first month)
head work (port and polish)
customized valves
OEM Headgasket
ARP studs
probably for drag will be using ELF RACE FUEL 114 octane (in europe measures)
Is possible to make more durable this SSAutochrome header? Its not a problem to make some nice and tough custom header here in PL.
IC size... well, this is picture...
http://www.promotormocy.pl/galeria/gal256.jpg
About turbo trim size - I will get some more info about it in monday, for now its all I know. Just thinking about T4 but which? We have no idea :D
(thanks PrecisionH23a for remembering important details ) :
550 cc injectors (just for first month)
head work (port and polish)
customized valves
OEM Headgasket
ARP studs
probably for drag will be using ELF RACE FUEL 114 octane (in europe measures)
Is possible to make more durable this SSAutochrome header? Its not a problem to make some nice and tough custom header here in PL.
IC size... well, this is picture...
http://www.promotormocy.pl/galeria/gal256.jpg
About turbo trim size - I will get some more info about it in monday, for now its all I know. Just thinking about T4 but which? We have no idea :D
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