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Old 01-11-2009, 11:03 AM
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Default fully built gsr turbo low power on 10 psi why?

below is what is done to my car. i would like to have someone explain to me why my power was so low at 12 psi....thanks for helping out....

b18c1 darton open deck 85mm sleeves
-crower crank makes it alomost a 2.2L
-Custom Pauter rods
-wiesco pistons 8:5 compression
-arp head studs
-cometic headgasket
-01 gsr head
-port and polished intake and exhaust side
-Ferrera 1mm oversize valves
-3angle valve job
-crower dual valve springs
-skunk2 titanium retainers
-Crower stage 3 cams 272's
-Aem cam gears
-edelbrock intake mani
-aem fuel rail

turbo set up is the following
-drag mani
-turbonetics 60 trim turbo
-450 injectors/i also have 1000cc injectors
-3 inch doen pipe
-2.5 intercooler piping
-3 bar map
someone please try to help me out so i can go back and make more power
-walbro 255 fuel pump
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Originally Posted by jdmb16turbo

b18c1 darton open deck 85mm sleeves
-crower crank makes it alomost a 2.2L
-Custom Pauter rods
-wiesco pistons 8:5 compression
-arp head studs
-cometic headgasket
-01 gsr head
-port and polished intake and exhaust side
-Ferrera 1mm oversize valves
-3angle valve job
-crower dual valve springs
-skunk2 titanium retainers
-Crower stage 3 cams 272's
-Aem cam gears
-edelbrock intake mani
-aem fuel rail

turbo set up is the following
-drag mani
-turbonetics 60 trim turbo
-450 injectors/i also have 1000cc injectors
-3 inch doen pipe
-2.5 intercooler piping
-3 bar map
someone please try to help me out so i can go back and make more power
-walbro 255 fuel pump
I see two possible culprits right there, but thats not the whole story, by looking at your graph, it looks like its in the tune. Post up some arf's, and fuel and timing maps.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

What system is the car being tuned with?

Are you sure vtec is engaging properly?

Is the timing on the motor synced? I would check cam/engine timing.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Originally Posted by Silva Bullit DC4
I see two possible culprits right there, but thats not the whole story, by looking at your graph, it looks like its in the tune. Post up some arf's, and fuel and timing maps.
hey all i got was the dyno graph from him or i would post it
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

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What system is the car being tuned with?

Are you sure vtec is engaging properly?

Is the timing on the motor synced? I would check cam/engine timing.
its tuned on crome gold.im sure the vtec is engaging right.it they check timing it was right.i didnt have a tube tube on it he said it was sucking in the hot air.but i dont think that would make that big of a difference
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Turbo manifold
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

that graph is pretty choppy after vtec, and doesnt crome gold still have some bugs?

its gotta be the tune, before vtec looks like sex then once it kicks in, somethings happening either the tune, or maybe somethings mechanical.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

The graph looks odd, and a Log manifold and big cams will kill it too, ditch the cams and get a decent manifold, a Dart Block and a Log Manifold shouldnt even be used in the same sentence. Not having a dump tube will kill the power too if the turbo is sucking it back up.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

^^^what do you mean by the graph looks odd?what kind of mani should i go with and also will it mess up my tune if i put gsr cams back in it
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

the graph looks odd up top, after vtec...it shouldnt be that choppy. whats your duty cycle at for the injectors? your not maxing those 450s out? dont think cams are the problem. it think it might be something mechanical, after vtec kicks in.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Originally Posted by jdm602
the graph looks odd up top, after vtec...it shouldnt be that choppy. whats your duty cycle at for the injectors? your not maxing those 450s out? dont think cams are the problem. it think it might be something mechanical, after vtec kicks in.
what you mean mechanical like what should i check for?im needing to fix this so i can make more power
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

dude your motor doesnt have to be built to make over 500 im all stock and got 740whp in my hatch stock single cam
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Originally Posted by 94civiccoupesi
dude your motor doesnt have to be built to make over 500 im all stock and got 740whp in my hatch stock single cam
LMAO Nice first post.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

He forgot too mention compression test shows 120s and 130s, thats kinda low!!
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Originally Posted by 94civiccoupesi
dude your motor doesnt have to be built to make over 500 im all stock and got 740whp in my hatch stock single cam

lol, had to re-quote this for emphasis
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

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^^^what do you mean by the graph looks odd?what kind of mani should i go with and also will it mess up my tune if i put gsr cams back in it
Its choppy after the crossover, and obviously you have super low power. Yes GSR cams will change the tune, but if everything else is in line they should make more power with your junk manifold that whatever those cams you got in there now will.

120-130comp is very low IMO, I use the same dished Wiseco's and at 8.8:1 I read 190 on my compression test, did you do a leakdown test too?
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

^^^yeah my buddy redone the comprssion its between 135-140 in each cylinder.he also has a built h22 with the same compression in each cyinder he made 238 on 12 psi
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

the thing is what do i need to do to get my power
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

more boost, bigger injectors, retuned. im assuming pump gas? if so maybe look into a different gas. then you can make a lot more power.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

i was gonna use the 1000 cc injectors but they didnt have no seals for the bottom of the injector.didnt have the boost controller hooked up or i would of pushed more.and it was just plan oh 93 pump gas. whats the most you think i can get out of my setup without changing the mani and turbo right now
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

well if nothing is wrong with the motor, i would put the 1000's in and tune it on ethanol if you can get your hands on it, that or q16. oh and up the boooost too.

motor could prolly handle 500-600 wheel. with that low of compression you gonna lost of boost tho. idk if the turbo you have is that good of a choice but you can see what itll push.
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

motor should be fine.if something was wrong with the motor wouldnt it at least be smokin if something was wrong
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

Lots of bad info here, people claiming pump gas and low compression to be the problem please stop posting. The Drag mani is holding him back and its unclear what turbo is being used.

The low compression pistons are NOT the problem at all, i have 8.3:1 and make 340whp at 12psi with my 3076r on a 1.6 b16 with 91 octane!!!
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Default Re: fully built gsr turbo low power on 12 psi why?

no maybe no smoking at all, i saw a thread where some guy bought a head from someone that didnt think the pins in two of the mid rocker arms was necessary, and his dyno just dropped off after vtec. that or maybe its something with the lma's?
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