mike03,95civic

i am going to be installing the edelbrock turbo kit with 7-8psi on my b18. someone i know is willing to give me a free fuel rail. my question is would this help with such low boost and would the stock fuel pump be fine. sorry if this is general knowledge, new to turbos

SpoolnG2

An aftermarket rail wont make things better and wont make things worse....and you should def not use a stock fuel pump. Grab a walbro intank pump. Usually they say stock pumps are good up to about 200-225whp. I'm assuming that at 7-8psi that you'll make more then that. Its not super expensive and its good insurance.


Modified by SpoolnG2 at 3:02 AM 5/6/2008

urbansi

whats your goal for the car? a fuel pump might not even be needed. But its nice to consider if you are going to be turning up the boost in the future. i ran a stock pump on my b16 with an SI pump and it lasted for 2 years on a stock FPR at around 220whp.

Just a little info with my expierence. Eventually i upgraded to a 255 because i am making a lot more hp now. If your budget allows a walbro is some nice $90 peice of insurance.

Whose tuning the car? whats the injector included in that kit?

mike03,95civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbansi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">whats your goal for the car? a fuel pump might not even be needed. But its nice to consider if you are going to be turning up the boost in the future. i ran a stock pump on my b16 with an SI pump and it lasted for 2 years on a stock FPR at around 220whp.

Just a little info with my expierence. Eventually i upgraded to a 255 because i am making a lot more hp now. If your budget allows a walbro is some nice $90 peice of insurance.

Whose tuning the car? whats the injector included in that kit?</TD></TR></TABLE>

well with the kit and the tune i'm thinking it will be 200-250hp. that will be good for now.

i haven't decided what shop i'll get it tuned at yet. anybody know of good tune shops in southern ca let me know. i know it comes with new injectors but not sure how big.


Modified by mike03,95civic at 7:11 PM 5/5/2008

mike03,95civic

Another fuel related question i had was for 7psi what is the lowest octane fuel that i should put in with out having any problems?

I Have an STD

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike03,95civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another fuel related question i had was for 7psi what is the lowest octane fuel that i should put in with out having any problems?</TD></TR></TABLE>

the highest you can. no exceptions.

the stock fuel pump is good to about 275 whp, but there is no reason to push it when a walbro is under $100 and allows you to make 400+ hp.

get some DSM 450s, a resistor box, and a chipped obd1 ecu. then go get it tuned on whatever you prefer.

i know you'll ask this question, so i'll answer it.... NO you can't use stock injectors, or 310s or prelude 345s. the smallest injector you should have in a boosted honda is a DSM 450. they are $50, and available EVERYWHERE. sure, the others will work, but why?

viet_boi_racin

Stock pump will do the job. But why cheap out a Walboro is less then $100. And some 450cc injectors will do for you. Stock lines and fuel rail will do just fine.

mike03,95civic

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the highest you can. no exceptions.

the stock fuel pump is good to about 275 whp, but there is no reason to push it when a walbro is under $100 and allows you to make 400+ hp.

get some DSM 450s, a resistor box, and a chipped obd1 ecu. then go get it tuned on whatever you prefer.

i know you'll ask this question, so i'll answer it.... NO you can't use stock injectors, or 310s or prelude 345s. the smallest injector you should have in a boosted honda is a DSM 450. they are $50, and available EVERYWHERE. sure, the others will work, but why?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok well the highest i can get is 91 so i hope thats good enough.

the edelbrock turbo kit comes with new injectors so i'm guessing they are 450s. so far as tuning i'm going to get hondata (not sure if i'll get s100 or s300). also i will get it tuned. do you think runing on the piggyback for the gsr is safe for getting to the tune shop?

I Have an STD

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Ok well the highest i can get is 91 so i hope thats good enough.

the edelbrock turbo kit comes with new injectors so i'm guessing they are 450s. so far as tuning i'm going to get hondata (not sure if i'll get s100 or s300). also i will get it tuned. do you think runing on the piggyback for the gsr is safe for getting to the tune shop?</TD></TR></TABLE>

they are not 450s. plug the holes in the supplied intake manifold and run 450s.

why run the piggyback then have to change lots of stuff when you get tuned? just go there with a chipped ecu and a basemap.

mike03,95civic

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they are not 450s. plug the holes in the supplied intake manifold and run 450s.

why run the piggyback then have to change lots of stuff when you get tuned? just go there with a chipped ecu and a basemap.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm surprised the kit comes with too small of injectors. well i'm new at this so could you tell me what a base map is? and it will be chipped with hondata.

urbansi

a base map is exactly what it sounds like, a base/starting point. basically it has no tune untill the tuner has done his job.

mike03,95civic

thanks, thats what i thought it was but just wanted to make sure. how much are they about? because i'm trying to save cost, which is why i was hoping the piggyback would be ok to just get me there.

mike03,95civic

so i just found out that the way this kit works is it uses the stock injectors and then 4 more injectors mounted on the bottom. how would i know if this is equivalent to 450cc injectors?

I Have an STD

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i knew that, thats why i told you to plug the holes in the new intake manifold. you'll just run the 450s in place of your stock injectors. why run hondata if you're trying to save cost? why not get tuned on crome?

mike03,95civic

what is the difference between crome and hondata? well for hondata s100 it is $200. how much is crome?

Schister66

Crome is free. It doesn't have some of the options that Hondata offers, but those may be options that you will never use. I know that for my personal setup, i run Crome. There's no reason for me to pay more for a Hondata systems with options i'll never use. Crome has worked for me for 2 years and will continue working for me on my new build.

mike03,95civic

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crome is free. It doesn't have some of the options that Hondata offers, but those may be options that you will never use. I know that for my personal setup, i run Crome. There's no reason for me to pay more for a Hondata systems with options i'll never use. Crome has worked for me for 2 years and will continue working for me on my new build. </TD></TR></TABLE>

really... how do you get crome?

darrinbrewer

iTrader: (1)

for crome, i've tuned all my friends cars on it, anyhting from a all motor ITR , turbo Ds and B;s, supercharged gsrs, and my own 400hp+ car, idle's on 780 injectors like stock..no problems

I agree with posts above, if you came to me with a edelbrock kit. i'd say:

440s with a resisitor box (or buy some that dont require a resistor box from a injector Co. liek precision or rc)
run a obd1 ecu for crome or hondata

throw a AEM wideband on there for $240 and always have an eye on your afr's.

boost/vac guage, and a egt to watch exhaust temps

Schister66

You can get Crome put on your ECU when you purchase a new chipped one. Just tell whoever builds your ECU that you want a Crome basemap for your Edelbrock setup and you'll be golden.

I Have an STD

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can get Crome put on your ECU when you purchase a new chipped one. Just tell whoever builds your ECU that you want a Crome basemap for your Edelbrock setup and you'll be golden. </TD></TR></TABLE>

then you can drive to get tuned and all the tuner will have to change is the chip, saving you money too.

mike03,95civic

sounds good. well i'm getting a fuel pump from spoolng2 so then i would just need to look into injectors. is there anything else that i should worry about getting that doesn't come in the kit and hasn't been said already?

Schister66

Nothing comes to mind at the moment. For your injectors, i would look for either a set of DSM 450cc's or a set of either PTE or RC 550cc's. Those will be plenty for your goals and the 550s will have a little bit of give if you decide to make more power in the future.

No matter which injectors you chose, be sure to get them before ordering your ECU because your basemap will be determined by your injector sizing.

mike03,95civic

the way the kit comes with the stock injectors and adding injectors, is it better to just upgrade one set to be equivalant to 450cc's or 550cc's or is it better to make it just one set?

mike03,95civic

Anybody know the answer? does it not matter if its two sets or one set of injectors as long as it is equivalant to 450cc's? and if it is better to have one set then for pluging the second set would you use bolts to plug it or what?

Schister66

Just run one set. You're going to run into a lot of problems trying to run two sets of 240cc injectors rather than one good set of higher flow injectors.