lucas569

well i planned on installing my turbo kit in the next 2 weeks and im having cold feet cause of all the work/maintanance,etc... (plus im scared to blow my engine)

my kit is pretty killer though
so far i own:

MAXREV
manifold
downpipe
turbo

DRAG spearco ic
DRAG chrome piping kit
HKS type 2 racing bov
TIAL 35mm wg

GREDDY ebc
" " egt
" " turbo timer
" " boost gauge

cluthcnet stage 2
hondata stage 2 b
rc eng 440 cc injectors
aem fpr
earls ss fiitngs

still need to buy small items like fp, more fittings,etc.

please no flames, i know this is a turbo biased fi board but im just getting cold feet is all, see i drive my car alot, i dont care about "1/4 mile" times, i just want a fast,FUN,RELIABLE car.

what does it take to run a realiable jrsc setup at 7-8 psi? aquamist? jrsc experts tell me the low down, i already searched btw!

Arturbo

Once you do it you wont regret it. You made it this far, why turn back?

art

lucas569

i know it sounds silly but i just get spooked from all the horror stories i keep reading and i really dont feel like buying/rebuilding another motor.

kinda scared i guess,just want reliabilty i guess. i know some are going to argue that there are people out there w/ blown engines using jrsc's but you dont hear of it as much as turbo.....

crap wish i had a chance to ride both to make my decision easier

Arturbo

Because they dont post here. The turbo:SC ratio is so great here it appears that would be the case. But between my personal friends I can count more blown motors with JRSC than I can with turbo. But take into consideration that they had band aids. But now you have companys making cheap stand alones like AEM EMS and hondata that the band aid are starting to phase out. Just dont drive like a maniac and take care of your car.
All cars need maintanence period. Dont settle for less.

art

lucas569

art you sound like my dad, he always told me "son, buy the best, youll ALWAYS be happy with it"

meanwhile my mom was chewing him out for spending too much!

TurboSedan

Hahah, that sounds about right. Keep the turbo, once it is installed and tuned you'll love it.

DeL SLo

jrsc is a waste of money. ive been saying it since the day they came out and i got mad flames. if all you want to do is run mid 15's for 3-4k then go for it. with the jrsc, dont expect to go any faster then high 14's. my friend has a jrsc on his car and his usual time at the track is around mid to high 15's on his 99 civic ex.

or you could get a turbo for 3-5k and run high 13's to mid 14's.


[Modified by DeL SLo, 3:11 PM 6/22/2002]

falcongsr

lucas, which ever way you go, just remember the fate of your motor is in your hands. you have to listen to it, take care of it, and maintain it. i dont think turbo is that much more responsibility than a JRSC (had one).

supercharger + small displacement motor =

Arturbo

LIke dustin says, "fast, fun, realiable. Pick two."

art

quikB18B

Ive had nitrous, supercharger, and now turbo. All i can say is i wish i would have went turbo the first time. The supercharger is ok, but its nothing compared to turbo. You have a nice setup and should be very reliable. So in the end you can have a fast, fun, reliable car if you do decide to buy a supercharger i have mine for sale, its a m62 blower (type R) but fits b16 also.. good luck

93LSivic

Take your skirt off son...

2K_TEG

I would go turbo, but if you go JRSC I will take some of those turbo parts off your hands.

NotQuiteJdm

for the price of a jrsc and the power you get out of it... not worth it at all

Muad'Dib

lucas569

hes a wise man that dustin, wise man....

DeL SLo

let me rephrase that. jrsc is only decent/good on the integra gsr. any other car its a pos and not worth it unless if your willing to put down alot of money.

ion_four

seems like the JRSC is also popular on the type-r motors...similar to the gsr, but I suppose because it has so much more cam overlap it won't benefit from the (usually) higher boost of a turbo. I wouldn't even consider it on my ex.
Right now I'm sitting at about $600-700 (probably topping out at $800-900 for an intercooled t-25, modified greddy manifold with (crazy-***-ghetto) electronic fuel management, runnning at 5-7 psi. Compare that to $1500 for 5psi non-intercooled JRSC.
In defense of the "ghetto" portion of my set-up, I've heard alot of bad stories about SC in general, many more than turbo, if you don't count insane boost levels

falcongsr

i am not sure who finds the JRSC so popular on the Rs....wheres Rboosted717?

schwett

3500 bucks for a jrsc on a prelude gets you 220whp, almost 200lb-ft or torque at hte wheels, and pretty deep into the 13s if you can drive and maintain grip. i think that's pretty good bang for the buck.

so i would say that your statement "any other car its a pos" is BS. sorry.

falcongsr

i wouldnt consider the prelude + JRSC a good combo until i hear of a good solution to the ring failures they are experiencing.

schwett

turbo h22 guys have the exact same problem... and i don't believe he was talking reliablity / russian roullete, i assumed he was talking power.

in our ongoing list at po.com, we had 15 blown motors and 17 not blown (need to be boosting for 3 months to qualify). of the blown ones, 10 are turbo, 5 are jrsc. of the not-blown, 10 are jrsc and 7 are turbo.

falcongsr

sorry, i didnt mean to imply it was a JRSC specific issue. thanks for correcting that.

as far as the stats you posted. its important to note that people have been turboing these cars for a while and the JRSC is just recently available.

i guess the solution to this reliability issue is aftermarket pistons/rings?

if you're comfortable with that, then the JRSC may very well be a good option. my personal beef with supercharging is with small displacement engines. no car manufacturer supercharges tiny motors. Mercedes 2.3L Kompressor series is the smallest i know of. i think there is a fundamental reason nobody goes smaller with SC.

schwett

true enough, although on our board there aren't too many who've had any FI for more than a year afaik. there's a number of JRSCs in the 9 months to a year range (basically since it came out) and a few turbo success stories of ±1 year at 7psi. there are some (turbo&jrsc) who blew their motors in a very, very short amount of time.

this is getting OT, but unfortunately pistons+rings = sleeve & rebuild, since there are no good aftermarket cast pistons for the H, and any forged piston will eat the FRM sleeves.

to the original poster whose thread we've hyened, i would say : GO FOR IT. just stay sane (low boost) and it sounds like the setup you've put together will be excellent.


[Modified by schwett, 9:25 PM 6/22/2002]

falcongsr

ehh we didnt go too far OT...this is important stuff to consider.

JDMTEG98

I think the original poster is in the same predicament that my friend and I are in. We both want our cars to be faster but can't decided between a JRSC or Turbo Kit. We both are daily drivers
Me 1998 Acura Integra GS-R 44K H/I/E
Him: 2000 Honda Civic Si 40K H/I/E

We both want our cars to last long. Neither are to into going to the track every week to lay down 13's ETC. Please advise, we would love to hear some feedback from both Turbo and SC owners
Thanks
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