Ebay turbo guys
09-11-2009, 12:44 PM
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09-11-2009, 12:49 PM
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you put a 61mm, journal bearing, divided housing turbo on a b16 and you didnt expect it to be laggy? lmao. where you even using a divided manifold? there is always 2 sides to every story. im also lol'ing at the garrett randomly taking a crap.
imo ANY turbo is a crap shoot. you show me 10 ebay turbo's that ****, and i will show you 10 name brand turbos that took a ****. at the end of the day its my money and i will spend it how i want. in my 16 years of building honda's i havent seen 1 brand of turbo that is rock solid. (and fwiw, Holesets and BW's beat any Garrett, Precision, Turbonetics.) thats my $.02
imo ANY turbo is a crap shoot. you show me 10 ebay turbo's that ****, and i will show you 10 name brand turbos that took a ****. at the end of the day its my money and i will spend it how i want. in my 16 years of building honda's i havent seen 1 brand of turbo that is rock solid. (and fwiw, Holesets and BW's beat any Garrett, Precision, Turbonetics.) thats my $.02
09-11-2009, 12:52 PM
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I was talking about Jamie's car not Marcus's. They are both making around identical power. I think Marcus still has that crappy obx top mount...not sure if its divided or not.
09-11-2009, 04:03 PM
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09-11-2009, 05:28 PM
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When I launch my D15 at 2,000 RPMs with my E-bay turbo installed, my front tires lift off the ground. It is scary when I floor it on the street I hit almost 100 PSI at a whopping 5,000 RPMs!!! The tires just blow themselves of the rims. I keep spares stashed at every stop sign so I can change them after I leave from a stand still. Also I did not know E-bay turbo's required oil. Mine has almost 300,000 miles on my car with that turbo (car has almost 1 million miles on stock motor) and it still works awesome.
09-11-2009, 11:58 PM
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.... HILARIOUS
but all seriousness, i wold buy an ebay turbo in a heart beat
there is a website somewhere that rebuild chinese turbos with garrett internals (for only 220$)
does anyone remember this website? i am having trouble finding it but i've seen it before
but all seriousness, i wold buy an ebay turbo in a heart beat
there is a website somewhere that rebuild chinese turbos with garrett internals (for only 220$)
does anyone remember this website? i am having trouble finding it but i've seen it before
10-01-2009, 12:31 PM
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10-01-2009, 02:53 PM
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All I want to know is does anyone accually have PROOF that "no name" ebay turbos come
from china? I was told that some (not all) of them are "name brand" turbos just with the
name ground off. But through my own experience those turbos arent that bad. You just
have to break them in right. I would love to buy a BW and will one day but untill them my
T70 will do the job just fine.
from china? I was told that some (not all) of them are "name brand" turbos just with the
name ground off. But through my own experience those turbos arent that bad. You just
have to break them in right. I would love to buy a BW and will one day but untill them my
T70 will do the job just fine.
10-01-2009, 07:07 PM
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All I want to know is does anyone accually have PROOF that "no name" ebay turbos come
from china? I was told that some (not all) of them are "name brand" turbos just with the
name ground off. But through my own experience those turbos arent that bad. You just
have to break them in right. I would love to buy a BW and will one day but untill them my
T70 will do the job just fine.
from china? I was told that some (not all) of them are "name brand" turbos just with the
name ground off. But through my own experience those turbos arent that bad. You just
have to break them in right. I would love to buy a BW and will one day but untill them my
T70 will do the job just fine.
Are you f'ing stupid? The only way you've EVER gotten a name brand turbo for cheaper because the name was ground off is if it was stolen.
Turbo manufactureres OBVIOUSLY profit from their business... in fact the Chinese turbo manufacturerers profit from their business... if they didn't they wouldn't do it.
GOOD turbo manufacturers charge more because they use higher quality materials, have more technically sound production methods, pay more qualified people to design and re-design their products and are constantly testing their equipment and generally offer at least a basic warranty against manufactuerer defects.
CHEAP turbo manufacturers use low in some cases VERY low quality materials, produce things in the cheapest way possible, steal other people design without any concern for whether or not they understand it or not or can reproduce it to equal quality, and NEVER test or warranty their products.
Does the fact that it was made in china make it inferior NOT NECCISARILY but VERY VERY likely... there is a reason that their manufacturing costs are so much lower than ours... and it's NOT cheap labor... it's an entire atmosphere of undercutting at ANY cost upto and including producing a product that will NEVER serve it's intended purpose.
A good friend of mine's brother in law is a high-up in Bic (he's actually one of the heirs to the company) and he oversaw the transition of their pen production from USA to China... it took 10 trips to china and 3 failed runs of pens before they found a manufacturer in china that ACUTALLY made even SEMI working pens. This is with Bic shipping ALL of the supplies required to produce the pens to ensure no poor quality materials being used... guess what... the first 2 shops sold the materials bought substandard materials and "produced" pens that didn't F'ing write. Keep in mind this is an evalutory batch that determines whether they get the contract or not... and they are SOOO goddam cheap that they screwed themselves out of the contract.
Another story... Another friend is the manager of a local parts distibuter... when one of their manufacturers switched their production from US to China their new unit failure rate went from 10-15 upto 40-50pct IE... in US 10-15pct of the parts would have a returnable problem... in China that went upto 40-50pct. The way my friend found out was that obviously the parts started getting sent back WAY more often (CV Joints) my friends shop tried to install 3 BRAND NEW axels into a customers car and FINALLY on the 4th axel it fit...
SO as it turns out that the manufacturer literally didn't even bother returning the faulty axels... they were paying SOOO much less per unit from china that the increase in failure rate didn't matter... they sold the bad ones for scrap metal and offset the losses. Even with the US manufacturer accepting faulty parts being returned it was cheaper to make them in china and scrap 40-50pct of each shipped batch. I juts can't wait till it gets to the point that peoples lives at risk becuase it's Cheaper than building quality safe parts.
I'm 100pct behind people who say... I'm cheap and I buy cheap parts because they're good enough.... or that they can be replaced 4-5 times before you've actually spent more money than you would have on ONE of the name-brand pieces.
But to say that ANY cheap turbo is a quality turbo with the name ground off is like believing that the Amp/reciever you're about to buy has "sony guts"
NO IT DOESN'T but it will work for 50-90pct of the people in the world and it won't ever matter that they bought cheap.
If you're in the 10-50pct that get screwed with an off the shelf bad part or one that fails WAY sooner than expected you will either re-evaluate your stance on cheap parts or you will spend a lot more time working on your car then you do enjoying it.
10-01-2009, 07:32 PM
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I almost NEVER do this... in fact I frown upon it even when it's neccisarry.
Are you f'ing stupid? The only way you've EVER gotten a name brand turbo for cheaper because the name was ground off is if it was stolen.
Turbo manufactureres OBVIOUSLY profit from their business... in fact the Chinese turbo manufacturerers profit from their business... if they didn't they wouldn't do it.
GOOD turbo manufacturers charge more because they use higher quality materials, have more technically sound production methods, pay more qualified people to design and re-design their products and are constantly testing their equipment and generally offer at least a basic warranty against manufactuerer defects.
CHEAP turbo manufacturers use low in some cases VERY low quality materials, produce things in the cheapest way possible, steal other people design without any concern for whether or not they understand it or not or can reproduce it to equal quality, and NEVER test or warranty their products.
Does the fact that it was made in china make it inferior NOT NECCISARILY but VERY VERY likely... there is a reason that their manufacturing costs are so much lower than ours... and it's NOT cheap labor... it's an entire atmosphere of undercutting at ANY cost upto and including producing a product that will NEVER serve it's intended purpose.
A good friend of mine's brother in law is a high-up in Bic (he's actually one of the heirs to the company) and he oversaw the transition of their pen production from USA to China... it took 10 trips to china and 3 failed runs of pens before they found a manufacturer in china that ACUTALLY made even SEMI working pens. This is with Bic shipping ALL of the supplies required to produce the pens to ensure no poor quality materials being used... guess what... the first 2 shops sold the materials bought substandard materials and "produced" pens that didn't F'ing write. Keep in mind this is an evalutory batch that determines whether they get the contract or not... and they are SOOO goddam cheap that they screwed themselves out of the contract.
Another story... Another friend is the manager of a local parts distibuter... when one of their manufacturers switched their production from US to China their new unit failure rate went from 10-15 upto 40-50pct IE... in US 10-15pct of the parts would have a returnable problem... in China that went upto 40-50pct. The way my friend found out was that obviously the parts started getting sent back WAY more often (CV Joints) my friends shop tried to install 3 BRAND NEW axels into a customers car and FINALLY on the 4th axel it fit...
SO as it turns out that the manufacturer literally didn't even bother returning the faulty axels... they were paying SOOO much less per unit from china that the increase in failure rate didn't matter... they sold the bad ones for scrap metal and offset the losses. Even with the US manufacturer accepting faulty parts being returned it was cheaper to make them in china and scrap 40-50pct of each shipped batch. I juts can't wait till it gets to the point that peoples lives at risk becuase it's Cheaper than building quality safe parts.
I'm 100pct behind people who say... I'm cheap and I buy cheap parts because they're good enough.... or that they can be replaced 4-5 times before you've actually spent more money than you would have on ONE of the name-brand pieces.
But to say that ANY cheap turbo is a quality turbo with the name ground off is like believing that the Amp/reciever you're about to buy has "sony guts"
NO IT DOESN'T but it will work for 50-90pct of the people in the world and it won't ever matter that they bought cheap.
If you're in the 10-50pct that get screwed with an off the shelf bad part or one that fails WAY sooner than expected you will either re-evaluate your stance on cheap parts or you will spend a lot more time working on your car then you do enjoying it.
Are you f'ing stupid? The only way you've EVER gotten a name brand turbo for cheaper because the name was ground off is if it was stolen.
Turbo manufactureres OBVIOUSLY profit from their business... in fact the Chinese turbo manufacturerers profit from their business... if they didn't they wouldn't do it.
GOOD turbo manufacturers charge more because they use higher quality materials, have more technically sound production methods, pay more qualified people to design and re-design their products and are constantly testing their equipment and generally offer at least a basic warranty against manufactuerer defects.
CHEAP turbo manufacturers use low in some cases VERY low quality materials, produce things in the cheapest way possible, steal other people design without any concern for whether or not they understand it or not or can reproduce it to equal quality, and NEVER test or warranty their products.
Does the fact that it was made in china make it inferior NOT NECCISARILY but VERY VERY likely... there is a reason that their manufacturing costs are so much lower than ours... and it's NOT cheap labor... it's an entire atmosphere of undercutting at ANY cost upto and including producing a product that will NEVER serve it's intended purpose.
A good friend of mine's brother in law is a high-up in Bic (he's actually one of the heirs to the company) and he oversaw the transition of their pen production from USA to China... it took 10 trips to china and 3 failed runs of pens before they found a manufacturer in china that ACUTALLY made even SEMI working pens. This is with Bic shipping ALL of the supplies required to produce the pens to ensure no poor quality materials being used... guess what... the first 2 shops sold the materials bought substandard materials and "produced" pens that didn't F'ing write. Keep in mind this is an evalutory batch that determines whether they get the contract or not... and they are SOOO goddam cheap that they screwed themselves out of the contract.
Another story... Another friend is the manager of a local parts distibuter... when one of their manufacturers switched their production from US to China their new unit failure rate went from 10-15 upto 40-50pct IE... in US 10-15pct of the parts would have a returnable problem... in China that went upto 40-50pct. The way my friend found out was that obviously the parts started getting sent back WAY more often (CV Joints) my friends shop tried to install 3 BRAND NEW axels into a customers car and FINALLY on the 4th axel it fit...
SO as it turns out that the manufacturer literally didn't even bother returning the faulty axels... they were paying SOOO much less per unit from china that the increase in failure rate didn't matter... they sold the bad ones for scrap metal and offset the losses. Even with the US manufacturer accepting faulty parts being returned it was cheaper to make them in china and scrap 40-50pct of each shipped batch. I juts can't wait till it gets to the point that peoples lives at risk becuase it's Cheaper than building quality safe parts.
I'm 100pct behind people who say... I'm cheap and I buy cheap parts because they're good enough.... or that they can be replaced 4-5 times before you've actually spent more money than you would have on ONE of the name-brand pieces.
But to say that ANY cheap turbo is a quality turbo with the name ground off is like believing that the Amp/reciever you're about to buy has "sony guts"
NO IT DOESN'T but it will work for 50-90pct of the people in the world and it won't ever matter that they bought cheap.
If you're in the 10-50pct that get screwed with an off the shelf bad part or one that fails WAY sooner than expected you will either re-evaluate your stance on cheap parts or you will spend a lot more time working on your car then you do enjoying it.
10-02-2009, 03:27 AM
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NonovUrbizniz. Lets get this out of the way. I DO NOT SUPPORT CHINESE PRODUCTS. Can you
understand what I was trying to say? I was told this and wanted confermation from
someone that knows more than me on the subject matter. When I heard this I was really
curious and wanted to know the truth. I am fully aware of cutting cost
on a cheaper product to make profits. You don't have to be a genius to figure that one
out. And yes, you need to prime the turbo like the other guy stated earlier by holding the
compressor wheels still and let the oil system pressurize. And a major reason that these
"chinese" turbos fail is because of this and that people do not use the proper oil restrictors
and half assed return lines. All I wanted was proof that these turbos come from china.
Not word of mouth from someone that just wants to argue.
understand what I was trying to say? I was told this and wanted confermation from
someone that knows more than me on the subject matter. When I heard this I was really
curious and wanted to know the truth. I am fully aware of cutting cost
on a cheaper product to make profits. You don't have to be a genius to figure that one
out. And yes, you need to prime the turbo like the other guy stated earlier by holding the
compressor wheels still and let the oil system pressurize. And a major reason that these
"chinese" turbos fail is because of this and that people do not use the proper oil restrictors
and half assed return lines. All I wanted was proof that these turbos come from china.
Not word of mouth from someone that just wants to argue.
10-02-2009, 07:55 AM
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Wow I am so glad this thread has popped up. I am so worried about which turbo to buy. I want to go ebay turbo so bad but Im worried about something going extremely. Im gotta talk to someone with alot of ebay turbo experience.
Which ebay turbo should I buy
I got a stock LS that I want to boost. Im looking for a 50 or 57 (on the compressor wheel)trim with a .63 Ar back hosing with a stage III exhaust wheel
Which ebay turbo should I buy
I got a stock LS that I want to boost. Im looking for a 50 or 57 (on the compressor wheel)trim with a .63 Ar back hosing with a stage III exhaust wheel
autoworks has a street trubo kit for 2 grand just save up and get that its really nice garret turbo cast iron mani its sick
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gostkit.html
10-02-2009, 08:00 AM
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I know this for sure: Even Chinese(quite a few) ppl in China don't use stuff that are made in China or made by Chinese.
10-02-2009, 09:24 AM
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autoworks has a street trubo kit for 2 grand just save up and get that its really nice garret turbo cast iron mani its sick
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gostkit.html
http://www.go-autoworks-store.com/gostkit.html
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I have been walking the dog on alot of these "name brand", "built", setups for forever now with my ebay turbo kit lol. I had to change the bov because of the horrible leak but other than that it seems just like the old school rev hard kits.
Bone stock LS: 450's, 15 psi 325whp self tuned.
Not to say i will run this setup forever but... its alot better than I predicted.
My stock LS against a built LS-V with name brand **** and precision turbo lalala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR7z3_-aeOs
Not bragging at all since this is my dd street car with ac and ps
Bone stock LS: 450's, 15 psi 325whp self tuned.
Not to say i will run this setup forever but... its alot better than I predicted.
My stock LS against a built LS-V with name brand **** and precision turbo lalala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR7z3_-aeOs
Not bragging at all since this is my dd street car with ac and ps
10-02-2009, 11:05 AM
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That one is only on 1 runner so the other 3 runners are not getting equal love from the wastegate...actually putting the wastegate on one runner is the worst thing you could do.
Id pass on that one for sure..