E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain
11-14-2006, 06:54 AM
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E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain
lol, i have a VW 1.8T but it shouldn't be too diff..
Heres my pump gas log
notice the timing pull on my total timing
Heres the E85 log with timing increased
Car pulls hard now, i love it. For 2 bucks a gallon i will run it daily
Heres my pump gas log
notice the timing pull on my total timing
Heres the E85 log with timing increased
Car pulls hard now, i love it. For 2 bucks a gallon i will run it daily
11-14-2006, 07:03 AM
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Re: E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain (HT Chaplain)
there are people already running this... I got inspired to try it from honda-tech lol
11-14-2006, 07:18 AM
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Re: E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain (pumafeet10)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pumafeet10 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its already in pa i know its near harriburg in middletown near the airport </TD></TR></TABLE>
let me rephrase- when is it coming to philly?
let me rephrase- when is it coming to philly?
11-14-2006, 07:40 AM
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is E85 really cheaper? Since stoichiometric is like half of what gasoline is. You have to supply almost double the E85 compared to regular gasoline? Ive seen it make ras gas numbers in tuning. Good stuff if done right. Im just wondering how economical it really is when it comes down to dollars.
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11-14-2006, 07:48 AM
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Re: (quicksilver1689)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quicksilver1689 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is E85 really cheaper? Since stoichiometric is like half of what gasoline is. You have to supply almost double the E85 compared to regular gasoline? Ive seen it make ras gas numbers in tuning. Good stuff if done right. Im just wondering how economical it really is when it comes down to dollars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that isnt ture.
when i switched over from 100 octane (pump gas in vegas) we only had to add ~26-30% fuel throughout the whole map.
e85 is normally ~$0.10-$0.20 cheaper the the lowest octane.
to me it is worth it, since 100 octane was $5 a gallon.
we need a E85 thread to help squash all the rumors, and stop the same questions from being asked over and over.
props to the original poster to switching over.
that isnt ture.
when i switched over from 100 octane (pump gas in vegas) we only had to add ~26-30% fuel throughout the whole map.
e85 is normally ~$0.10-$0.20 cheaper the the lowest octane.
to me it is worth it, since 100 octane was $5 a gallon.
we need a E85 thread to help squash all the rumors, and stop the same questions from being asked over and over.
props to the original poster to switching over.
11-14-2006, 07:58 AM
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All i did was fill up woth E80 on a emtpy tank.. Didn't touch my fuel system and my a/f ratios stayed the same... Maybe its the VW ECU corrtecting everything lol... But i love it so far
11-14-2006, 08:19 AM
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Re: (Quickgti1.8t)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quickgti1.8t »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All i did was fill up woth E80 on a emtpy tank.. Didn't touch my fuel system and my a/f ratios stayed the same... Maybe its the VW ECU corrtecting everything lol... But i love it so far</TD></TR></TABLE>
Woah, that is not natural
30% is a typical increase to reach the same area of lambda values. Did it take a wile to start running right i.e. was the ecu learning for a while, or did the car start right up and run great?
Glad its working well for you!
Woah, that is not natural
30% is a typical increase to reach the same area of lambda values. Did it take a wile to start running right i.e. was the ecu learning for a while, or did the car start right up and run great? Glad its working well for you!
11-14-2006, 08:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quickgti1.8t »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All i did was fill up woth E80 on a emtpy tank.. Didn't touch my fuel system and my a/f ratios stayed the same... Maybe its the VW ECU corrtecting everything lol... But i love it so far</TD></TR></TABLE>
stoich on gasoline is not stoich on meth. Meth is lower. you will have to alter your fuel maps to get a lower A/F ratio.
stoich on gasoline is not stoich on meth. Meth is lower. you will have to alter your fuel maps to get a lower A/F ratio.
11-14-2006, 10:23 AM
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Re: E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain (Quickgti1.8t)
i was telling some ******* on here that e85 is the *****...but no..they didnt listen. its 111 octane and is better for the enviornment...it will eventually neutralize carbon dioxide in the atmosphere due to the fact that t is 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. ethanol is made from corn, rice or whatever and it takes carbon dioxide to grow corn, cars burn these gases and create carbon dioxide so if everybody in the whole world the green house effect would go to crap. btw...it gives you worst gas mileage btw again...its cheaper.
11-14-2006, 10:40 AM
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Re: E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain (rice a roni)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rice a roni »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was telling some ******* on here that e85 is the *****...but no..they didnt listen. its 111 octane and is better for the enviornment...it will eventually neutralize carbon dioxide in the atmosphere due to the fact that t is 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. ethanol is made from corn, rice or whatever and it takes carbon dioxide to grow corn, cars burn these gases and create carbon dioxide so if everybody in the whole world the green house effect would go to crap. btw...it gives you worst gas mileage btw again...its cheaper.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Plus i didn't buld my car for gas milage lol, i would of bought a geo.... We'll see how it like 500whp, i think im going to need bigger injectors, anyone make 1000 high imped... My stupid car can only run high imped... Right now i have 750's
Plus i didn't buld my car for gas milage lol, i would of bought a geo.... We'll see how it like 500whp, i think im going to need bigger injectors, anyone make 1000 high imped... My stupid car can only run high imped... Right now i have 750's
11-14-2006, 10:48 AM
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Re: E85 is the shlt, C16 can go down the drain (rice a roni)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rice a roni »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> its 111 octane </TD></TR></TABLE>
actually it is ~104-105 octane
and that varies from station to station.
there is also a summer blend 85%eth/15%gas and a winter blend 70%eth/30%gas (since it is kinda hard to start a car that runs on e85 in cold weather)
Quickgti1.8t- depending on how well you motor breathes you may need a bigger fuel system for 500whp.
a friend maxxed out a walbro and 1000cc's at 458 uncorrected.
actually it is ~104-105 octane
and that varies from station to station.
there is also a summer blend 85%eth/15%gas and a winter blend 70%eth/30%gas (since it is kinda hard to start a car that runs on e85 in cold weather)
Quickgti1.8t- depending on how well you motor breathes you may need a bigger fuel system for 500whp.
a friend maxxed out a walbro and 1000cc's at 458 uncorrected.
11-14-2006, 10:53 AM
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stoich on gasoline is not stoich on meth. Meth is lower. you will have to alter your fuel maps to get a lower A/F ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are correct BUT YOU NEED to remember that lambda is lambda no matter what fuel your using. SO if VW ecus adjust their fuel tables according to lambda (which i'm sure they do) then it will run just fine.
stoich on gasoline is not stoich on meth. Meth is lower. you will have to alter your fuel maps to get a lower A/F ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are correct BUT YOU NEED to remember that lambda is lambda no matter what fuel your using. SO if VW ecus adjust their fuel tables according to lambda (which i'm sure they do) then it will run just fine.
11-14-2006, 11:06 AM
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That's right, and the o2 sensor doesn't read a/f ratio, it reads lambda. The display on your wideband just converts it over to the a/f ratio numbers for the fuel you're using.
11-14-2006, 11:49 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's right, and the o2 sensor doesn't read a/f ratio, it reads lambda. The display on your wideband just converts it over to the a/f ratio numbers for the fuel you're using. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep On my logs i get all lamda, around .805 full boost so im happy...
Yep On my logs i get all lamda, around .805 full boost so im happy...
