Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car
12-24-2004, 02:18 AM
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Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car
Hi guys..
I´m standing between the dart b20 block and a benson sleeved B18b block. I´m not sure which one is better for my application. I´m building a race car for track not for drag races so the block or head should not overheat. The bosst will be up to 25 PSI.
The Dart block has oil jets but a closed deck so I think this block will be a better choise for drag races?!
With the benson sleeved block the head will be better cooled I think but there are no oil jets.. thats the reason why I´m not sure. What would you recommend? What are your experienses???
I´m standing between the dart b20 block and a benson sleeved B18b block. I´m not sure which one is better for my application. I´m building a race car for track not for drag races so the block or head should not overheat. The bosst will be up to 25 PSI.
The Dart block has oil jets but a closed deck so I think this block will be a better choise for drag races?!
With the benson sleeved block the head will be better cooled I think but there are no oil jets.. thats the reason why I´m not sure. What would you recommend? What are your experienses???
12-24-2004, 05:13 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
they block the oil squirters off when you run forged pistons. They are not needed.
What kind of track racing do you plan on doing?
What kind of track racing do you plan on doing?
12-24-2004, 05:18 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
i would go for a re-sleeved B18 with open deck design (Darton MID, Golden Eagle) for the proper cooling around the cylinders.
12-25-2004, 02:53 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (Gravy)
I´m from germany we don´t have something like nopi events :-) You can compare the race with DTM or something like that.
Why can I left the oil squirters when I run forged pistons? What´s the reason?
Thanx for your help guys!
Why can I left the oil squirters when I run forged pistons? What´s the reason?
Thanx for your help guys!
12-25-2004, 06:00 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hovic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I´m from germany we don´t have something like nopi events :-) You can compare the race with DTM or something like that.
Why can I left the oil squirters when I run forged pistons? What´s the reason?
Thanx for your help guys!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You could leave the oil squirters in, but there's no real reason. I wouldn't waste my money on a dart block, the sleeved stock block will be just fine. For an open track car you arn't going want more than 450, 500 WHP tops and even then you'll want to dial back the boost in lower gears so you can actually hook up.
Why can I left the oil squirters when I run forged pistons? What´s the reason?
Thanx for your help guys!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You could leave the oil squirters in, but there's no real reason. I wouldn't waste my money on a dart block, the sleeved stock block will be just fine. For an open track car you arn't going want more than 450, 500 WHP tops and even then you'll want to dial back the boost in lower gears so you can actually hook up.
12-25-2004, 06:42 AM
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Benson hands down. I like the DART design but have friend in town who is running a built DART and had nothing but an annoying leak. It was fixed but re-appeared again.
Run a search on here, and you will see others have had the exact same issue, so it's not just the 1 case.
Last thing you want is to deal with a stinking leak all season.
Goodluck.
Run a search on here, and you will see others have had the exact same issue, so it's not just the 1 case.
Last thing you want is to deal with a stinking leak all season.
Goodluck.
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12-25-2004, 06:51 AM
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Here is his post of trial and tribulations with this block.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=859942
Here is another interesting link I found related to you and the type of racing you plan to do.
http://nhrasportcompact.com/20....html
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=859942
Here is another interesting link I found related to you and the type of racing you plan to do.
http://nhrasportcompact.com/20....html
12-25-2004, 08:44 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
Wait, do b20's have oil squirters? I thought it was only VTEC blocks. . .
and 25psi means nothing, unless you tell us on what turbo. .
Don't build a block for a psi number, build it with a whp goal in mind, or a specific powerband. .
and 25psi means nothing, unless you tell us on what turbo. .
Don't build a block for a psi number, build it with a whp goal in mind, or a specific powerband. .
12-25-2004, 09:09 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (m R g S r)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wait, do b20's have oil squirters? I thought it was only VTEC blocks. . .
and 25psi means nothing, unless you tell us on what turbo. .
Don't build a block for a psi number, build it with a whp goal in mind, or a specific powerband. . </TD></TR></TABLE>
You´re right sorry. I´ll go with a GT30R and want to make between 450 to 500WHP.
and 25psi means nothing, unless you tell us on what turbo. .
Don't build a block for a psi number, build it with a whp goal in mind, or a specific powerband. . </TD></TR></TABLE>
You´re right sorry. I´ll go with a GT30R and want to make between 450 to 500WHP.
12-25-2004, 09:17 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (underpressure02)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by underpressure02 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they block the oil squirters off when you run forged pistons. They are not needed.
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How is this possible... Don't you need oil to lubricate the cylinder walls???
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How is this possible... Don't you need oil to lubricate the cylinder walls???
12-25-2004, 09:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11psiTurboSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How is this possible... Don't you need oil to lubricate the cylinder walls???</TD></TR></TABLE>
the cylinder walls are not lubricated from oil squirters. they were never installed for lubrication in the first place.....they are only there to help cool the piston down.
forged pistons run much cooler than the stock cast piston so the oil squirters are not really needed.
How is this possible... Don't you need oil to lubricate the cylinder walls???</TD></TR></TABLE>
the cylinder walls are not lubricated from oil squirters. they were never installed for lubrication in the first place.....they are only there to help cool the piston down.
forged pistons run much cooler than the stock cast piston so the oil squirters are not really needed.
12-25-2004, 09:31 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (11psiTurboSI)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11psiTurboSI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How is this possible... Don't you need oil to lubricate the cylinder walls???</TD></TR></TABLE>
In sleeving, most of the time if not all of the time, you will lose the squirters
as stated by non-vtec, they are not needed.
How is this possible... Don't you need oil to lubricate the cylinder walls???</TD></TR></TABLE>
In sleeving, most of the time if not all of the time, you will lose the squirters
as stated by non-vtec, they are not needed.
12-25-2004, 11:04 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (@lbert)
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You could leave the oil squirters in, but there's no real reason. I wouldn't waste my money on a dart block, the sleeved stock block will be just fine. For an open track car you arn't going want more than 450, 500 WHP tops and even then you'll want to dial back the boost in lower gears so you can actually hook up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would agree, a GE sleeved stock block will do the work fine, especially in DTM series racing....
You could leave the oil squirters in, but there's no real reason. I wouldn't waste my money on a dart block, the sleeved stock block will be just fine. For an open track car you arn't going want more than 450, 500 WHP tops and even then you'll want to dial back the boost in lower gears so you can actually hook up.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would agree, a GE sleeved stock block will do the work fine, especially in DTM series racing....
12-26-2004, 03:42 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hovic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi guys..
I´m building a race car for track not for drag races so the block or head should not overheat. The bosst will be up to 25 PSI.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is this your race car or are you building a second car?
I´m building a race car for track not for drag races so the block or head should not overheat. The bosst will be up to 25 PSI.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is this your race car or are you building a second car?
12-26-2004, 10:43 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (Slick GS-R)
I have yet to hear something about AEBS sleeve's?? I thought those were good too. I know alot of people use them out here but as far as on these threads there arent much people using them at all. why?? I thought they were the best along with Benson's, and Darton?
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hovic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No thats not my race car 
Or does it look like a race car????</TD></TR></TABLE>
May you show us your race car?
Or does it look like a race car????</TD></TR></TABLE>May you show us your race car?
12-27-2004, 09:41 AM
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (smoovy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smoovy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have yet to hear something about AEBS sleeve's?? I thought those were good too. I know alot of people use them out here but as far as on these threads there arent much people using them at all. why?? I thought they were the best along with Benson's, and Darton?</TD></TR></TABLE>
AEBS sont have MID sleeves like darton they are only closed deck sleeves from what I know. And a closed deck block isn´t good for race cars. Please correct me if I´m wrong..
AEBS sont have MID sleeves like darton they are only closed deck sleeves from what I know. And a closed deck block isn´t good for race cars. Please correct me if I´m wrong..
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Re: Dart vs. benson sleeved b18b block for race car (hovic)
how is this when they have people racing with these blocks in there cars and have had no complaints. I'm just wondering why not very many people use AEBS and use Darton instead?
Darton and AEBS used to be one company. AEBS had the sleeve design and Darton had the name, but as you can see that Darton and AEBS are seperate now and there sleeve's look alike. that's because AEBS sued Darton for using there same design a couple years back and that's why Darton switched up the look a little to not look so much like AEBS's.
everyone that I know runnign this block is loving it. it's tried and true to hold 55+ PSI. solid. but I am still waiting to find out why this is not a peoples choice. weird??please tell me because I want to sleeve my block too and I really had my mind set on AEBS sleeve's but I want to know what not to get and what to look out for.
Darton and AEBS used to be one company. AEBS had the sleeve design and Darton had the name, but as you can see that Darton and AEBS are seperate now and there sleeve's look alike. that's because AEBS sued Darton for using there same design a couple years back and that's why Darton switched up the look a little to not look so much like AEBS's.
everyone that I know runnign this block is loving it. it's tried and true to hold 55+ PSI. solid. but I am still waiting to find out why this is not a peoples choice. weird??please tell me because I want to sleeve my block too and I really had my mind set on AEBS sleeve's but I want to know what not to get and what to look out for.
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^^ Actually Darton was making the sleeves customly for AEBS. They were Darton sleeves just with AEBS specs.
I'd stick with the open deck GE's, or the Bensons. I'm a fan of the GEs myself.
I'd stick with the open deck GE's, or the Bensons. I'm a fan of the GEs myself.
12-27-2004, 12:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smoovy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Darton and AEBS used to be one company. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude, that is totally false, trust me on that. AEBS had Darton make some sleeves for them a long time ago, but that is about it. Darton and AEBS are NOT the same, never have been! False info all over the place.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smoovy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd stick with the open deck GE's, or the Bensons. I'm a fan of the GEs myself. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the good words!
Dude, that is totally false, trust me on that. AEBS had Darton make some sleeves for them a long time ago, but that is about it. Darton and AEBS are NOT the same, never have been! False info all over the place.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smoovy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd stick with the open deck GE's, or the Bensons. I'm a fan of the GEs myself. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the good words!