Dart/Payn Block Pictures
12-23-2002, 03:23 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (TheShocker)
How does the cooling of the block stack up to a stock open deck design?
If this a good block for street use?
Also, a price with sleeves would be awesome.
If this a good block for street use?
Also, a price with sleeves would be awesome.
12-23-2002, 06:15 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (93LSivic)
Hey Tom, what sleeves are used in your blocks??
As far as cooling:
Stock Honda blocks have an open deck design because it is easier/more cost effective to manufacture, not for cooling. However the Dart/Payn block has larger water jackets for cooling
The standard deck height 81.5mm bore blocks have been shipping for a couple of weeks filling backorders, the 84.5mm standard deck and tall deck will be shipping just after the first of the year.
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12-23-2002, 06:19 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (Dropspeed)
Hey Tom, what sleeves are used in your blocks??
The blocks have Darton ductile iron sleeves
As far as cooling:
Stock Honda blocks have an open deck design because it is easier/more cost effective to manufacture, not for cooling. However the Dart/Payn block has larger water jackets for cooling
The standard deck height 81.5mm bore blocks have been shipping for a couple of weeks filling backorders, the 84.5mm standard deck and tall deck will be shipping just after the first of the year.
Mattj
The blocks have Darton ductile iron sleeves
As far as cooling:
Stock Honda blocks have an open deck design because it is easier/more cost effective to manufacture, not for cooling. However the Dart/Payn block has larger water jackets for cooling
The standard deck height 81.5mm bore blocks have been shipping for a couple of weeks filling backorders, the 84.5mm standard deck and tall deck will be shipping just after the first of the year.
Mattj
12-23-2002, 06:36 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (RyanAutry)
WOW, that looks really good. I will probilly look foward to getting my block sleeved soon too. I only have to drop mine of cause im a local 
12-23-2002, 06:39 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (RyanAutry)
Awsome Matt. Thanks, but what's the price?
Sorry
Selling for $1995.00 through Payn Technologies http://www.payntechnologies.com or (248) 362-0283Mattj
12-23-2002, 06:44 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (typeone)
WOW, that looks really good. I will probilly look foward to getting my block sleeved soon too. I only have to drop mine of cause im a local
This is not a sleeved block, (but Payn can have that done also) It is a brand new casting from Dart. All of the info can be found here.
http://www.dartheads.com/blhonda.htm
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12-23-2002, 07:10 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (Dropspeed)
Awsome Matt. Thanks, but what's the price?
Sorry Selling for $1995.00 through Payn Technologies http://www.payntechnologies.com or (248) 362-0283
Mattj
Sorry
Selling for $1995.00 through Payn Technologies http://www.payntechnologies.com or (248) 362-0283Mattj
You should sell them like hot-cakes.
Onoe more question.
What is needed to complete this block?
I can see:
Crank (Can you use stock b-series crank?)
Pistons (Any 81.5mm bore b-series piston?)
Rods (normal rods? what specs? b18c rods?)
Barings
Oil Pan & Gasket (Can you use stock?)
What else would you need to get this block running?
Sorry for all the questions.
12-23-2002, 07:33 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (93LSivic)
lets ask some serious questions
-oil squirters?
-girdle?
-the webbing doesn't look nearly as beefy as the newer gen b blocks
we want all the facts
-oil squirters?
-girdle?
-the webbing doesn't look nearly as beefy as the newer gen b blocks
we want all the facts
12-23-2002, 09:10 PM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (rpm9100)
lets ask some serious questions
-oil squirters?
-oil squirters?
i was under the assumption the reason they were there is because the stock pistons are cast...
anyone (eg. payntech)?
12-24-2002, 05:23 AM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (RyanAutry)
Wow, $2,000 for a sleeved block.
You should sell them like hot-cakes.
Onoe more question.
What is needed to complete this block?
I can see:
Crank (Can you use stock b-series crank?)
Pistons (Any 81.5mm bore b-series piston?)
Rods (normal rods? what specs? b18c rods?)
Barings
Oil Pan & Gasket (Can you use stock?)
What else would you need to get this block running?
Sorry for all the questions.
You should sell them like hot-cakes.
Onoe more question.
What is needed to complete this block?
I can see:
Crank (Can you use stock b-series crank?)
Pistons (Any 81.5mm bore b-series piston?)
Rods (normal rods? what specs? b18c rods?)
Barings
Oil Pan & Gasket (Can you use stock?)
What else would you need to get this block running?
Sorry for all the questions.
You can use all stock parts to complete the build if you want to. Any B18/B20 rods will work as well as any 81.5mm+ pistons, the block can be bored and honed to accept larger pistons IE: 82 83 84 85. You will need to run a non-B18c windage tray and oil pump pick-up.
The other items needed to complete the short block that aren't on your list are: Oil squirters, oil pump, timming belt tensioner, waterpump and timing belt, all sourced from a GSR or Type R.
From RPM9100:
"lets ask some serious questions
-oil squirters?
-girdle?
-the webbing doesn't look nearly as beefy as the newer gen b blocks
we want all the facts "
The girdle is not needed unless you are producing large HP #s 1000hp or 40-50 lbs of boost on alcohol. We can supply a Z-10 LS/B20 girdle at the customers request.
The block is made form 355 T6 virgin alloy, the material alone is 4x stronger than the material Honda uses on the stock block. The main caps are not only dowled like the stock block but also side registered.
Oil squirters are sourced from a GSR or ITR, because they are slighlty offset unlike the B16a
Matt Jensen
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12-24-2002, 08:22 AM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (RyanAutry)
Wow, $2,000 for a sleeved block.
actually, like he said before you commented, it's $2k for a BRAND NEW CASTING.....meaning it's brand new (and from what i gather a much stronger material than any stock honda block).
12-24-2002, 09:50 AM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (Gelatto)
Wow, $2,000 for a sleeved block.
actually, like he said before you commented, it's $2k for a BRAND NEW CASTING.....meaning it's brand new (and from what i gather a much stronger material than any stock honda block).
actually, like he said before you commented, it's $2k for a BRAND NEW CASTING.....meaning it's brand new (and from what i gather a much stronger material than any stock honda block).
12-24-2002, 10:50 AM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (RyanAutry)
nice man...I remember seeing the first mark up at the show last year. You guys have really out done your selves. Put me down for one...Cincy Speed.
12-24-2002, 11:04 AM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (nitroedhx)
Hey Tom, This is Alan's friend, Jody.
Where's mine? j/p
Looks great! I can't wait to hear the dragstrip war stories on this one... seems like every new part goes through hell the first year or two. This person swearing it's gods gift to Honda-Kind, this person swearing that their stock block is stronger <YEAH, whatever>. I can't wait til I can afford to wrap my grubby little hands around one in my little hatchie.
Thanks for all the hard work and insight you've brought to the industry!
Where's mine?
j/pLooks great! I can't wait to hear the dragstrip war stories on this one... seems like every new part goes through hell the first year or two. This person swearing it's gods gift to Honda-Kind, this person swearing that their stock block is stronger <YEAH, whatever>. I can't wait til I can afford to wrap my grubby little hands around one in my little hatchie.
Thanks for all the hard work and insight you've brought to the industry!
12-24-2002, 11:40 AM
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Re: Dart/Payn Block Pictures (SiR Kid)
Looks sweet man...im working on boosting a stock motor for now and want to build up a bottem end on the side...
- Is this any limited time production or do you plan on continuing to produce this block?
- Also will price stay the same or is this a special offer?
Thanks,
Chris
- Is this any limited time production or do you plan on continuing to produce this block?
- Also will price stay the same or is this a special offer?
Thanks,
Chris