turbotime

Ok so my cylinder head is oringed. Im not sure if the orings are removable or not. The weird thing is my block has no groove or anything in it.

I want to run an OEM MLS headgasket but ive been told that becuase of my orings i cant?

Can anyone give me more info? Is there a way to tell what kind of orings they are ? copper/SS?

Redwidow

What type of Oring is it. Copper, SS? I have copper in my block and its 18 gawg and all you do is get a sharp pointy tool and pick it out and replace. GE recomends you replace o rings for the block but im not to sure about what oring you have for your head.

As for the HG if you have an copper oring you should use metal HG and for SS you should use a copper HG. This is so you get maximum crush and seal..Hope this helps ya

turbotime

Ok its a stainless steel oring, can those me removed you think?

I am going to try and pick them out today...


Modified by turbotime at 5:02 PM 11/6/2005

Redwidow

I'm not sure on SS i don't think they crush but i may be wrong, it should be some sort of piano wire from what my machine shop told me. Not sure what size it is...good luck with her

turbotime

yeah ive been talking to a bunch of poeple about this cause i REALLY REALLY dont want to use copper.

I just pulled my old copper gasket and even with the orings it wasnt sealing right.

I know SS dont crush, thats why u need soft copper, and the copper crushes.

So Im going to try a exacto knife to pry these out. If I remove the orings can I run an OEM headgasket?

Redwidow

eewww maybe not a good idea, im not sure but why not use a copper oring and metal hg? It should be fine...

turbotime

thats a good idea lol, never thought of it, where do you get the copper wire for the oring?

i guess it all depends if i cant pull these out I should be able too though right? I mean what if there was an imperfection in one of the rings there would have to be a way to remove it other than machining the whole ring and groove out of the head right?!

Redwidow

I got my copper wire from the hardware store(ACE) not sure if you have that store where you are. Just make sure it fits in snug, well if your able to get the other SS wire out. And you should be able to get it out.

turbotime

i cant get the SS orings outs, i think they are machined in... i tried using a razor but couldnt evenget them to budge..

Redwidow

got any pics because they can be machined in but I though you said they were SS? The head is not SS. So im not sure what you got.

wantboost

iTrader: (2)

what you need to have done is have a recieving groove made in the sleeves, thats the best way to do it

turbotime

the rings are SS but there are no recieving grooves in the block sleeve, im not sure if this is normal or not... I think the rings just press into a copper gasket and seal it that way..

here is a picture of the head and a closeup of the rings..

No recieving groove..


The head:


The closeup:


What do you think? For more images see this post:


but please replyin this post, not that one..

thanks for any help i ordered an SCE Pro Copper Headgasket today so io hope it works...

Soccerking3000

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Redwidow

Yes thats SS you should be able to get it up, use a sharp pointy tool and try to find the ends where they meet up and pri carfully and it will come out my copper was tough also...good luck with it keep us posted..

wantboost

iTrader: (2)

also try heating the head... aluminum expands faster than ss so it should help it come out easier

turbotime

ok ill try again, do i NEED recieving grooves in the block??

I have been running without them fine...

turbotime

bump

wantboost

iTrader: (2)

i wouldnt bother doing it with stock sleeves... if it were sleeved i would say yes

HYBRID_H@TCH

I would pull the ss orings and install copper orings with a mls head gasket like stated above..will seal great.

Soccerking3000

see in this picture on the bottom right there is that little gap try and peel it off from there

turbotime

yeah i tried peeling from there using a razor but i just kept breaking the tip off the razor, you sure they can be removed?

I already ordered a copper HG so im gonna have to use copper for now, i think it will seal fine as long as i use some hylomar/copper spray...

Thanks for the help!

Redwidow

If you ordered a Copper HG you will need to stick with the SS wire, you do not wana put two soft metals together, my machine shop told me this is a No, NO...

Get an OEM HG and use copper wire should NOT need receiving grooves either.

Also a razor is not going to cut it literally, you need an oring remover kit to pri out the wire where Soccerking3000 spotted the area of wire where the ends meet.

turbotime

ah i already ordered the copper headgasket and paid $80 bux for it!

Can I just use the SS orings with the copper? I mean isnt that how its meant to work? I was just going to spray the copper HG with hylomar/copper spray and then use it with the SS rings..

Will it seal ok? I mean isnt it mean to work this way and seal well?

0BoostedJeff

i never use copper spray. I use OEM honda headgaskets, with copper orings.

turbotime

SCE recommends the use of hylomar/copper spray with their headgasket...

I already have the SS orings and already have the Copper Headgasket so i cant switch it all over to copper rings and MLS.

Are SS rings and Copper headgaskets made to work together to provide a better seal?