danmej1

danm i forgot i still have to do 3 inch piping crap

cpl rampage

But I found a gt35r replica turbo 250

u do know that a gt35r goes for 1000+ right? do you really thing that for 250 bux that the trubro will even be remotely close? or even have ball bearings?

boost gauge, air/fuel ratio, oil pressure and mount 90

OK

vitara pistons and eagle h beam rods 75mm stock bore, arp 2000 rod bolts, king bearings, and performance rings too and hardened wrist pins with upgraded clips 480

dont use king bearings unless you have everything within the right spec, half the time the oil clearances will be WAYYY off and will either bee too loose or too tight. use oem

turbo piping 2.5 inch piping and front mount intercooler also greddy knock off bov 190

ok

obx turbo manifold 100

get the cast one on ebay not the obx ram horn, it will crack and fall off

ebay 3 inch downpipe 65

wont fit right garanteed, will need to chop up, you could build your own for cheaper

ebay wastegate 70

REALLY? do you want to trust the well being of your engine to an ebay wastegate??? if that thing lets go and you do a full pull, say buh by to your engine, you wont have enough fuel to feed it , it will go lean and melt the pistons/crack ringlands.

arp headstuds 110

ok

oem honda head gasket 80


1435 dollars then a tune on e85 280 for two hours at full blown motorsports

haha yeah right, for one you would be lucky to make 220 whp on e85 with 450cc injectors, for two, i wouldnt be suprised if it takes longer then 2 hours.

oh yeah forgot xtd clutch stage 3 130

complete crap, chatters alot, and doent last long

upgraded injectors 100

for 450's you will at max make 250-274 whp, you arnt breaking 300 on 450's very easily, and no way you are making that much on e85, u need 93 octane. e85 has a lower energy density, so you need something like 30% more fuel. e85 is pointless in this application. also dont forget that you need to replace all the soft fuel lines in your system, e85 will eat it.

i got a resistor box and walbro 255 in tank pump also 440cc injectors I think I might have to go with 350whp or less on these injectors because i will hit the max flow

the 255 will get you to 400, but the 440's see above

oil block pickup line 50

why risk blowing the seals on ur turbo with a cheap kit

another 280 dollars danm that is all most 2000 dollars [/QUOTE]

fast2camciv

i built my motor for less than 600 bucks, put my turbo kit together for less than 1k, and with injectors and clutch i still was under 2k. it can be done with cheap new parts and used parts...and all labor (including fabrication) will need to be done by yourself or done for free.

as for the china turbo's...ive taken 3 apart myself, from 3 different sellers on ebay, and all 3 measured the exact same (57trims) i still have all the measurments written down on my work bench at hom :p

fast2camciv

oh btw, if you want a cheap turbo that can take some abuse, look into holeset turbo's.

cpl rampage

i build my engine with:

eagles 300
vitara's with wristpins clips and rings 150
oem bearings with the correct sizing for optimal oil clearance 220
oem oil pump 125
oem water pump 57
oem timing belt 40
oem headgasket 47
i also bought an ebay gasket kit and used the not so important stuff from it like VC gasket, spark plug gasket, rear main seal etc.

so all told, for the bottom end build i spent about 1000 on the bottom end

danmej1

i though e85 was a cheap alternative to race gas i also thought that e85 was better than 93 octane

danmej1

Do you think thiis garret non-gt journal bearing turbo 60 trim with 0.82 a/r turbine housing big enough and good enough for that 400 whp mark

danmej1

http://performance.yoparts.com/garre.../i-167947.aspx

also is a tial wastegate good too

cpl rampage

way too big of a turbine housing, go with the .63 if you want a decent spool time.

here are some sligly better prices on the same stuff

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-49/garrett-turbochargers-intercoolers-gauges-tial-wastegate-hks-tial-greddy-blow-off-valves%2A-2321264/


and yeah a tial or turbosmart are probably the best although turbonetics work well too.

cbustuner

Ever heard of boost cut? ebay wategate or not you should be using boost cut.What if a line blows off, falls off or melts. Buh by motor even with a real tial.

Honestly that's the only knock off part on my car. xspower wastegate with a real tial 1 bar spring. I've had it for about 3 years now with no issues.

You also don't have to replace all the "soft fuel lines" with e85. I've been on ethanol for a year and a half ethanol is NOT pointless in this build or any build. Only thing I added to use ethanol were 1000cc injectors ( I had 880 previously) and walbro 225.That's stuff I needed anyways. everything else is oem honda ( oem filter, lines, fpr etc etc)

I can tell you have never actually used it.You will be able to safely make more power on ethanol then you will 93.Your motor will run cooler. You will be able to run even more timing on vitaras to help make up for the low compression. I made 304 hp on 14.5 psi and 324 on 16 psi and I think ethanol and the timing had alot to do with it.

cpl rampage

true, i added a boost cut to my motor as well, but who knows what he is running for EMS.

As far as e85, i have not used it, and yes i know it is not absolutely necessary to change the soft lines, i have heard that it reduces their life. and also, i know the benifits of e85, but if he is going to try to make as much as he can with 450's hes not going to be able to do that with e85. now if he was going to stop cheaping out on parts and went for some 1000 cc injectors then yeah i would totally recommend e85, but in his situation with the injectors being the limiting factor, i would not run e85 due to the energy density.

i do not deny the fact that you can make more power on e85, but it comes at the price of greater fuel consumption, and that is not something he can afford if he is going to stick with the 450's

cbustuner

Gottcha. I just assumed he figured he was going to need bigger injectors since you told him before in your other post.Even on 93 I don't see it (400) possible with 450's.

cpl rampage

ahhhh ic, yeah i was trying to for him to just get a running eagle/vitara build, but with 450's the most ive ever seen on these engines is around 275 whp or something like that. Im running 450's i just dynoed at 251 whp. not bad for being self tuned on crome pro, and that is with just a conservative timing since i don't have a knock sensor or det can. next summer the goal is 400 with out e85 since there arnt many places around here that sell it. im going to pick up some ID1000's anyways just incase.

danmej1

oh ok get some 1000cc injectors or bigger and also i am going to run on crome pro and does this system have boost cut because right now my ecu is tuned on crome 142whp at the wheels

cpl rampage

yeah crome pro has boost cut, and 1000 cc injectors are gonna run you in the 450-500 dollar range.

0Bisimoto

Where is this information coming from? ::sigh::

wilham320

iTrader: (1)

I think there were some threads a few years back that was claiming the d15b cam as a more aggresive cam than a d16z6.... rumors spread like wild fire. I know you have more info as to the actual differences, but I've seen side by side measurements and the were near identical. Just the timing was different.

single cam fan

dude just buy a ebay 60-1 and some 1000's!

danmej1

1000 cc injectors only cost 280

danmej1

some guy on here said that the d15b camshaft is the same as the zex 59100 camshaft

danmej1

where to get the turbo off of ebay can you please show me the website

wilham320

iTrader: (1)

found it...
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/jdm-d15b-vtec-vs-d16z6-camshafts-2525621/

danmej1

Is this a good turbo for my 400whp+ setuphttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120305922917&viewitem= &_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2&category =33742#ht_4027wt_939

It's a borg warner turbo and its a to46 turboo.

danmej1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...#ht_4027wt_939

da_dude

^That is a t4. It's going to be super laggy. Just get my borg warner t3/t4 57 trim /w .55ar housing.