Ctr cams or skunk 2 pro series stage1 cams
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Ctr cams or skunk 2 pro series stage1 cams
In the process of building my em1 b16a for turbo. Not sure if I should get the ctr cams or the skunk 2 pro series stage 1 cams. Can't decide between the two. I'm just wondering what would be the best option. If u guys can tell me the difference between the two that be great. I want the ones that deliver the best for the motor. Thx
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Pro1's are "all motor cams" look up brain crower or gsc(may have that wrong) they have a line of cams specifically meant for turbo applications. S out of the 2 you listed the CTR's.
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Lookin at the skunk 2 pro series stage 1 and it seems like more people like these better than the ctr cams. Yet some say ctr are more reliable since it's an oem part. Sigh idk
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You need to learn about lift, duration and static compression before you decide 2nd there is no best they are designed to be used in an engine with "X" compression skunk's pro series require a 12:1+ C/R to be efficient throw those in a stock gsr or b16 and you'll loose power. either way you need to learn more look into those brands I suggested. and you'll need to "degree" certain cams also hope you know that.
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You need to learn about lift, duration and static compression before you decide 2nd there is no best they are designed to be used in an engine with "X" compression skunk's pro series require a 12:1+ C/R to be efficient throw those in a stock gsr or b16 and you'll loose power. either way you need to learn more look into those brands I suggested. and you'll need to "degree" certain cams also hope you know that.
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Since this is a Forced Induction related question, it would be better answered here in FI...The Civic forum isn't known for its wealth of knowledge
In order to help you with this choice, we need to know more about the turbo setup. Which turbo, manifold, fuel, power goals, etc..?
In order to help you with this choice, we need to know more about the turbo setup. Which turbo, manifold, fuel, power goals, etc..?
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Well thats a horse of a different color ! CTR or tuner 1's would be a better suited question. Pro1's are an aggressive camshaft and if the setup isnt right for them they will NOT perform. Buying the biggest and badest does always work.
Give a complete run down of the build and goals with the car and prupose and then people and better help you. And to the guy saying its an all motor cam you need turbo cams you dont know what you talking about. All motor cams work very well on these motors and Pro1's work VERY WELL on these motors with the supporting mods. That doesnt mean they will be the best cam for the OP but they make excellent power 1000+ with the right build and yes they do work on smaller applications down to a minimum turbo size of 65lbs/min
Give a complete run down of the build and goals with the car and prupose and then people and better help you. And to the guy saying its an all motor cam you need turbo cams you dont know what you talking about. All motor cams work very well on these motors and Pro1's work VERY WELL on these motors with the supporting mods. That doesnt mean they will be the best cam for the OP but they make excellent power 1000+ with the right build and yes they do work on smaller applications down to a minimum turbo size of 65lbs/min
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"Reliable" is all in the assembly and use of the cam
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Re: Ctr cams or skunk 2 pro series stage1 cams
if it's a mild setup stick with itr/ctr cams, they work fine and people have made lots of power with them... Pro1s are too aggressive for most setups, especially ones that use stock internals (stock compression ratio)
If you're looking for a cam designed specifically for turbo apps then the GSC T1s are also a good choice but they require lots of work to install them, they aren't a drop in and go cam... you have to measure piston to valve clearance across the entire lobe profile, and if your block of head has been milled then you have to compensate for that in order to time the cam correctly but even then, having the cam at 0,0 might not be the best timing for your setup (read: you'll have to play with retarding and advancing each cam independently from each other to find which cam timing works best for your setup)
But again, without you posting a detailed build thread, turbo size, fuel, pistons/compression ratio then it is all just assumption at this point
If you're looking for a cam designed specifically for turbo apps then the GSC T1s are also a good choice but they require lots of work to install them, they aren't a drop in and go cam... you have to measure piston to valve clearance across the entire lobe profile, and if your block of head has been milled then you have to compensate for that in order to time the cam correctly but even then, having the cam at 0,0 might not be the best timing for your setup (read: you'll have to play with retarding and advancing each cam independently from each other to find which cam timing works best for your setup)
But again, without you posting a detailed build thread, turbo size, fuel, pistons/compression ratio then it is all just assumption at this point
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if it's a mild setup stick with itr/ctr cams, they work fine and people have made lots of power with them... Pro1s are too aggressive for most setups, especially ones that use stock internals (stock compression ratio)
If you're looking for a cam designed specifically for turbo apps then the GSC T1s are also a good choice but they require lots of work to install them, they aren't a drop in and go cam...
you have to measure piston to valve clearance across the entire lobe profile, and if your block of head has been milled then you have to compensate for that in order to time the cam correctly but even then, having the cam at 0,0 might not be the best timing for your setup (read: you'll have to play with retarding and advancing each cam independently from each other to find which cam timing works best for your setup)
But again, without you posting a detailed build thread, turbo size, fuel, pistons/compression ratio then it is all just assumption at this point
If you're looking for a cam designed specifically for turbo apps then the GSC T1s are also a good choice but they require lots of work to install them, they aren't a drop in and go cam...
you have to measure piston to valve clearance across the entire lobe profile, and if your block of head has been milled then you have to compensate for that in order to time the cam correctly but even then, having the cam at 0,0 might not be the best timing for your setup (read: you'll have to play with retarding and advancing each cam independently from each other to find which cam timing works best for your setup)
But again, without you posting a detailed build thread, turbo size, fuel, pistons/compression ratio then it is all just assumption at this point
So its like they're "drop in", but not.. "drop in", in the way most H-Ters are used to when it comes to OEM camshafts.
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Actually, they are "drop in". For the stock milled engine, going through those options of p2W and such isn't necessary. You just have to be able to have an adjustable throttle body and be able to change timing slightly to get it to idle. Just because its "lumpy" doesn't mean you go through all the "degreeing" that most would assume as you would with the Pro1. That little myth was dispelled a while ago. In fact, if you went through the degree wheels, you'd actually come up even worse.
So its like they're "drop in", but not.. "drop in", in the way most H-Ters are used to when it comes to OEM camshafts.
So its like they're "drop in", but not.. "drop in", in the way most H-Ters are used to when it comes to OEM camshafts.
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Well as of right now it's stock getting parts to build it for boost. Gonna bore it to 81.5 if I can't get it sleeved. If I can fine someone to sleeve it I'd be able to get a bigger bore size correct? Gonna get cnc werx block guard that holds 500+ Looking into 9:5 compression supertech pistons, good rods like Manley turbo tuff, crower or eagle rods h beam. Now if I can get someone to sleeve it what bore size would be a great size for good power? Oh and sk2 pro stage 1 cams. I need 1000cc fuel injectors fuel rail fuel pump etc. 93 pump gas. as for turbo kit not sure but I do want a mishimoto intercooler.
Now U guys think I should do this all at once or can I just fully build the head and drive around with some decent trq and speed. Till Incan fully build it for boost head and block and all other parts for boost. Thx guys. Hope this is clear.
Now U guys think I should do this all at once or can I just fully build the head and drive around with some decent trq and speed. Till Incan fully build it for boost head and block and all other parts for boost. Thx guys. Hope this is clear.
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Why, because you didn't get them to work? That really isn't my fault there, sir.. you are becoming just increasingly and unnecessarily rude to others without merit. I would have hoped that that the holiday spirit would have given you a sense of hope and not hold on to that ball of hate you've had over the last 7or 8 months.. you know, relax a little .. but I guess not.
So think of it like this, then..
"for every finger you point at someone, there are always three pointing right back at you from your own hand.". Big mama.
I hope you at least had a good holiday, and didn't receive a black coal in your stocking.. :-). Brighten up..be merry.
So think of it like this, then..
"for every finger you point at someone, there are always three pointing right back at you from your own hand.". Big mama.
I hope you at least had a good holiday, and didn't receive a black coal in your stocking.. :-). Brighten up..be merry.
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Either sleeve it or get the CNC werx IMO sleeve the block or save the money. The CNC thing isnt worth the money IMO stock blocks with concrete or block guards around here (and there are a lot of them) are holding 650-750whp and for very long time. The guy i raced at IFO is running the same block with block guard going on 5 years now and he is trapping 150mph
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Either sleeve it or get the CNC werx IMO sleeve the block or save the money. The CNC thing isnt worth the money IMO stock blocks with concrete or block guards around here (and there are a lot of them) are holding 650-750whp and for very long time. The guy i raced at IFO is running the same block with block guard going on 5 years now and he is trapping 150mph
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Either sleeve it or get the CNC werx IMO sleeve the block or save the money. The CNC thing isnt worth the money IMO stock blocks with concrete or block guards around here (and there are a lot of them) are holding 650-750whp and for very long time. The guy i raced at IFO is running the same block with block guard going on 5 years now and he is trapping 150mph
On a separate note, how are the concrete blocks prepared? That's not a common practice for imports in this area.
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I've never heard of concrete block guards lol I myself don't know anyone with that same thing lol
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Why, because you didn't get them to work? That really isn't my fault there, sir.. you are becoming just increasingly and unnecessarily rude to others without merit. I would have hoped that that the holiday spirit would have given you a sense of hope and not hold on to that ball of hate you've had over the last 7or 8 months.. you know, relax a little .. but I guess not.
So think of it like this, then..
"for every finger you point at someone, there are always three pointing right back at you from your own hand.". Big mama.
I hope you at least had a good holiday, and didn't receive a black coal in your stocking.. :-). Brighten up..be merry.
So think of it like this, then..
"for every finger you point at someone, there are always three pointing right back at you from your own hand.". Big mama.
I hope you at least had a good holiday, and didn't receive a black coal in your stocking.. :-). Brighten up..be merry.
Point your fingers my way, it's no worry to me. I'm here to learn and share not sell anything or force my opinion.
I'm a jolly as can be!!
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CNC werx is a fancy pricey block guard. Sleeved block is replaced the whole stock cylinders with ductile iron sleeves. Huge difference in strength and most importantly ring seal.
Concrete is a slang term its a form of cement with other addatives sold by moroso and some other companies. then there is an actual aluminum block guard which supports the top of the cylinders from moving to much but int he end if not built and tuned properly wont do a damn thing anyhow.
Mac the local concrete blocks I believe are just done like a block guard here not the entire water jacket.
Yes I am running the GSC turbo cams and they work wonders for me but other havent had luck with them. Putting down about 788whp with my setup on a 6266 and 23 pounds of boost if my calculations of weight and MPH are correct.
Concrete is a slang term its a form of cement with other addatives sold by moroso and some other companies. then there is an actual aluminum block guard which supports the top of the cylinders from moving to much but int he end if not built and tuned properly wont do a damn thing anyhow.
Mac the local concrete blocks I believe are just done like a block guard here not the entire water jacket.
Yes I am running the GSC turbo cams and they work wonders for me but other havent had luck with them. Putting down about 788whp with my setup on a 6266 and 23 pounds of boost if my calculations of weight and MPH are correct.
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CNC werx is a fancy pricey block guard. Sleeved block is replaced the whole stock cylinders with ductile iron sleeves. Huge difference in strength and most importantly ring seal. Concrete is a slang term its a form of cement with other addatives sold by moroso and some other companies. then there is an actual aluminum block guard which supports the top of the cylinders from moving to much but int he end if not built and tuned properly wont do a damn thing anyhow. Mac the local concrete blocks I believe are just done like a block guard here not the entire water jacket. Yes I am running the GSC turbo cams and they work wonders for me but other havent had luck with them. Putting down about 788whp with my setup on a 6266 and 23 pounds of boost if my calculations of weight and MPH are correct.
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Hehe. NA, you gotta learn to let go. There is no place in my post did I promote a particlar brand onto the OP. He was looking at options for camshafts that are used, but because he gave no information on his build, no suggestion was ever made or endorsed..
So is your issue about mis-information on how a particular camshaft works, or is it that you're seeing" promotion" of a sale of a camshaft where none exists?.. Make up your mind on your argument. Since its not specific, it can only be inferred as just generalized anger towards me specifically, and not due to misstatement of any fact..
I'd like for you to please point out on this thread where I offered to sell anything to anyone, or push to promote selling anything to anyone, including the OP... I'll wait... ..
As for being "jolly", I hope you're right ,as only time will tell.. but it sure seems that your intent is to behave as a crusader to a cause to which you are the only member of, seeing conspiracy around corners like a paranoid schizophrenic, as this is not the first time you turned someone else's thread on its ear in an effort to "quell the conspiracy" that you continually misinterpret. And it ironically comes up on any thread I comment, and I'm not the only one running a particular camshaft...coincidence? I think not.
So, again.. back to topic for the OP, as I will no longer humor NA's comments.
The pro 1 may or may not the right choice, but a lot of this decision is based upon the rest of the equipment you get and the purpose of the car, especially the exhaust manifold and turbocharger size that you decide. Once you, the OP, make that decision, you'll have better options and opinions as to what aftermarket camshaft (if any) should be used. Until then, this is all speculation at this point.
As for the block guard, I agree with Turbo LS. It's not needed in your case.
So is your issue about mis-information on how a particular camshaft works, or is it that you're seeing" promotion" of a sale of a camshaft where none exists?.. Make up your mind on your argument. Since its not specific, it can only be inferred as just generalized anger towards me specifically, and not due to misstatement of any fact..
I'd like for you to please point out on this thread where I offered to sell anything to anyone, or push to promote selling anything to anyone, including the OP... I'll wait... ..
As for being "jolly", I hope you're right ,as only time will tell.. but it sure seems that your intent is to behave as a crusader to a cause to which you are the only member of, seeing conspiracy around corners like a paranoid schizophrenic, as this is not the first time you turned someone else's thread on its ear in an effort to "quell the conspiracy" that you continually misinterpret. And it ironically comes up on any thread I comment, and I'm not the only one running a particular camshaft...coincidence? I think not.
So, again.. back to topic for the OP, as I will no longer humor NA's comments.
The pro 1 may or may not the right choice, but a lot of this decision is based upon the rest of the equipment you get and the purpose of the car, especially the exhaust manifold and turbocharger size that you decide. Once you, the OP, make that decision, you'll have better options and opinions as to what aftermarket camshaft (if any) should be used. Until then, this is all speculation at this point.
As for the block guard, I agree with Turbo LS. It's not needed in your case.
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Hehe. NA, you gotta learn to let go. There is no place in my post did I promote a particlar brand onto the OP. He was looking at options for camshafts that are used, but because he gave no information on his build, no suggestion was ever made or endorsed..
So is your issue about mis-information on how a particular camshaft works, or is it that you're seeing" promotion" of a sale of a camshaft where none exists?.. Make up your mind on your argument. Since its not specific, it can only be inferred as just generalized anger towards me specifically, and not due to misstatement of any fact..
I'd like for you to please point out on this thread where I offered to sell anything to anyone, or push to promote selling anything to anyone, including the OP... I'll wait... ..
As for being "jolly", I hope you're right ,as only time will tell.. but it sure seems that your intent is to behave as a crusader to a cause to which you are the only member of, seeing conspiracy around corners like a paranoid schizophrenic, as this is not the first time you turned someone else's thread on its ear in an effort to "quell the conspiracy" that you continually misinterpret. And it ironically comes up on any thread I comment, and I'm not the only one running a particular camshaft...coincidence? I think not.
So, again.. back to topic for the OP, as I will no longer humor NA's comments.
The pro 1 may or may not the right choice, but a lot of this decision is based upon the rest of the equipment you get and the purpose of the car, especially the exhaust manifold and turbocharger size that you decide. Once you, the OP, make that decision, you'll have better options and opinions as to what aftermarket camshaft (if any) should be used. Until then, this is all speculation at this point.
As for the block guard, I agree with Turbo LS. It's not needed in your case.
So is your issue about mis-information on how a particular camshaft works, or is it that you're seeing" promotion" of a sale of a camshaft where none exists?.. Make up your mind on your argument. Since its not specific, it can only be inferred as just generalized anger towards me specifically, and not due to misstatement of any fact..
I'd like for you to please point out on this thread where I offered to sell anything to anyone, or push to promote selling anything to anyone, including the OP... I'll wait... ..
As for being "jolly", I hope you're right ,as only time will tell.. but it sure seems that your intent is to behave as a crusader to a cause to which you are the only member of, seeing conspiracy around corners like a paranoid schizophrenic, as this is not the first time you turned someone else's thread on its ear in an effort to "quell the conspiracy" that you continually misinterpret. And it ironically comes up on any thread I comment, and I'm not the only one running a particular camshaft...coincidence? I think not.
So, again.. back to topic for the OP, as I will no longer humor NA's comments.
The pro 1 may or may not the right choice, but a lot of this decision is based upon the rest of the equipment you get and the purpose of the car, especially the exhaust manifold and turbocharger size that you decide. Once you, the OP, make that decision, you'll have better options and opinions as to what aftermarket camshaft (if any) should be used. Until then, this is all speculation at this point.
As for the block guard, I agree with Turbo LS. It's not needed in your case.
Your ramble about Piston to Wall not needing checked and how degreeing camshafts make them perform worse. Stock milled engines? If you want to come off as sounding knowledgable at least use proper terminology.
"So its like they're "drop in", but not.. "drop in", in the way most H-Ters are used to when it comes to OEM camshafts."
They are either drop in or are not, I've seen folks try to sound knowledgable and be vague but this pretty clear that you don't know what your talking about. You should reference Jeff Evans when you clearly site his recommendations word for word for the Pro1 cams.
Turbo-LS is on point with his advise.
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Hehe. NA, you gotta learn to let go. There is no place in my post did I promote a particlar brand onto the OP. He was looking at options for camshafts that are used, but because he gave no information on his build, no suggestion was ever made or endorsed.. So is your issue about mis-information on how a particular camshaft works, or is it that you're seeing" promotion" of a sale of a camshaft where none exists?.. Make up your mind on your argument. Since its not specific, it can only be inferred as just generalized anger towards me specifically, and not due to misstatement of any fact.. I'd like for you to please point out on this thread where I offered to sell anything to anyone, or push to promote selling anything to anyone, including the OP... I'll wait... .. As for being "jolly", I hope you're right ,as only time will tell.. but it sure seems that your intent is to behave as a crusader to a cause to which you are the only member of, seeing conspiracy around corners like a paranoid schizophrenic, as this is not the first time you turned someone else's thread on its ear in an effort to "quell the conspiracy" that you continually misinterpret. And it ironically comes up on any thread I comment, and I'm not the only one running a particular camshaft...coincidence? I think not. So, again.. back to topic for the OP, as I will no longer humor NA's comments. The pro 1 may or may not the right choice, but a lot of this decision is based upon the rest of the equipment you get and the purpose of the car, especially the exhaust manifold and turbocharger size that you decide. Once you, the OP, make that decision, you'll have better options and opinions as to what aftermarket camshaft (if any) should be used. Until then, this is all speculation at this point. As for the block guard, I agree with Turbo LS. It's not needed in your case.