Schister66

Right now i have a T3/60-1 .63ar on my stock internal GSR. The rest of the setup is a T3 EQ Topmount, 3" DP and exhaust....none of the other stuff really matters for this question. Anyway, i know i'm looking at late spool with this turbo, but what can i do to help that other than N20 or anti-lag??

Is there a ported/anti-surge housing for the 60-1?? Also, what kind of power numbers have you guys seen on this turbo on 11psi....i'm staying shy of 12psi because i dont have a 3bar map and its still on stock internals as well....

Thanks!

dunkd

@9psi my stock gsr made 294 on the same turbo.

if you are keeping your motor stock and are worried about spool time, get a turbo that closer meets your needs.

mrbh22

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if you are keeping your motor stock and are worried about spool time, get a turbo that closer meets your needs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well said! get some headwork and it will help a little.

slooogsr

Curious on what spool time you are seeing? Im still making final decisions on a turbo kit and was debating on this turbo.......

As far as a better spool time...
Lightened flywheel? Intake mani?

Maybe gearing the tranny differently will overcome this?

Schister66

i have an HP Racing intake manifold and an 11lb flywheel.....

also, i am planning to build the engine for next season its just that i ran out of money this season thanks to school....i have an LS/VTEC build started, but it wont be completed for a while....that's going to be built and sleeved....

mrbh22

on my stock h22 drag mani 60-1 t3 i was at full boost 12 psi at 3500 rpm in 4th

Bseriescivic5

yeah on a 2.2 liter. That means nothing here, you are comparing apples and oranges, the 1.8 will be much slower spool

Schister66

lol i want spool by 5k and if i can do that, i'm fine....i dont think it will be that bad. It had it running for a while and built a little boost on it. I just need to replace the alternator, finish the exhaust and get this beast tuned.....i'm just curious to see what i make for power. My last setup made 275whp.....i'm tuning on 11psi and hoping for 330-350whp

mrbh22

good luck with your build schister66 sorry bout the big block stuff just habit.

Schister66

nah, dont worry about it.....its good to hear that this isn't a slow spooling dinosaur turbo...if you spool it at 3500 on your H22, i should be able to hit 11psi before 5k....

Dunc

I have the .82a/r on my 2.0 liter ls/vtec and I'll see 7psi by like 4000-4500 and see 16psi by about 4800-5000. I made 303whp on 8-9psi, 367whp on 13psi, 424whp on 16psi (with a FPR that was crapping out so I still have a tiny bit left to gain), and 23-27psi tuning is coming up in January

slooogsr

Do you guys think this turbo would be a good choice for a built 81.5mm b18c1?

I will be also using a usdm itr tranny and was thinking the later spool may be beneficial?

If i can get near full boost by 4.5k i think i would be happy. Just for daily driving duties..........

0project dc2

iTrader: (1)

its a great turbo and works very well, i have a dual BB version for 10XX shipped that would spool much faster and make monster power for a decent price

Schister66

^^i wanted that turbo, but couldn't afford it at the time i bought mine.....

blackeg

i ran this on my 81mm lsvtec.

i hit 9 psi by 4800 and 14-15 psi at about 5300. vtec set at 4800.

dyno'd at 320whp on about 1 bar, but that was with a bad headgasket and my timing retarted 2 degrees at the distributor.

Schister66

^^more about the setup please....

blackeg

sleeved ls block, 9:1 wisecos, stock b16 head with gsr cams

ccfab ramhorn
3" open downpipe exhaust
jrc intercooler
780 precisions
self tuned on the dyno by me using uberdata.

the motor had about 80% leakdown out the #2 cyl exhaust valves, and was mixing coolant possible attributed to a bad hg. compression was 180/120/170/180 for most of the summer, i still ran mid 12s with it haha and it was taking 18 psi just fine the day i took it apart.


point being, on a healthy motor you will see faster spool and much better power #'s

8200RPM

well I had a t3/t04e .60/.63 ar and I made 327whp/232 tq @ 11psi. Im not sure how my turbo differs from yours though.

Schister66

that's the same turbo i used to have and their flow rates are quite different....that does give me a better idea of the power i'm looking at....and now to give you an idea, here is at least a physical comparison of the two since i dont have a flow comparison....

juda7

I'm at full boost right at VTEC engagement which works for me. Just my 2 pennies

Schister66

wow....maybe i wont need to hit 11psi....maybe 9-10psi will be good enough

zexxbo

i too am kinda curious. i have a t3 60-1 as well but mine is .70a/r and .82 exhaust, however mine is bored to 2.0L and has a stage 3 port & polish, gsr cams and skunk2 .5mm oversize valves, skunk2 valvesprings and retainers.. what kind of power should i expect at 10psi?

Dunc

I would say at least 300. I made that 303 on 8-9psi.

HiProfile

My bro's gsr w/54 trim hit 303whp at 10psi, but it had an fmu so had tons of timing.

That's probably the best thing you can do, get the timing map from 0psi to 7psi tuned to the max for the best gas you can get. Try finding someone experienced with a 'det can' to max out timing during spool w/o getting detonation. Its not too safe, but if you run a bit conservative w/full boost, its as safe as NOS and more so than antilag.

I also wouldn't suggest maxing the MAP sensor, as a boost spike with a 60-1 and stock internals won't be pretty if you don't have any method to control it. At full tilt, the 60-1 can go from 10psi to 25psi faster than you can let off the pedal. I'd suggest getting a motorola 2.5bar map sensor if you have crome or neptune (not sure if hondata can scale for it). Its much more linear than most 3bar sensors (so almost zero retuning), and is just $15 at digikey right now.

You could also try getting a .48 AR turbine housing for the mean time, then sell it later. It would be even better with a 2.5bar sensor, since you could just increase the boost a bit to compensate for any high-rpm losses.

SIXTY-1HATCH

I have a stock sleeve gsr with 9:1 je and a built head but still stock flow no porting done, i have vtec set at 5000 rpm and it starts to build boost around 3500 and by the time it hits vtec the tires are blown off the car so i dunno if its full boost or what cuz once the tires go i can't stare at the gauge, but it blows the tires off in 3rd with bfg's and thats only on 14psi breaking the motor in, my tuner said if he had to guess he would say around 350hp.
btw if your planning on running 10 psi i wouldn't even bother with that turbo, well you did say you were building so i guess but for the stock motor i would run like a 57 trim that would be perfect full spool by like 4000 rpm, only reason i say so on the 60-1 cuz 10psi isn't in the efficiency range, they say the turbo doesn't even start "working" unitll 15psi, cant wait to feel mine on 20psi