rev-speed

my setup

motor
has je pistons/crower rods
arp head bolts
gsr crank gridle

head is all stock
jg intake manifold

should i get dual valve springs and rev to 9k or higher?
or should i spend the money else where?

fuel managment
hondata s200b
1000cc injectors
255lph walbro

drag turbo kit pipeing
with sfp turbo manifold
turbonetic t3/t4 .57 trim
and huge greddy intercooler

PrecisionH23a

nope, not even close.

Just curious, how come you want 500whp? Bragging rights? Have you ever ridden in a car with that much power?

rev-speed

don t i need about 500hp to the wheels to run 10s with a 2300lb hatch?

Rod.

i dont think you will get 500 out of that setup.

PrecisionH23a

I think it's time for someone to do his homework.

There's a lot more involved to hitting 10's than you think. Not to be a dick, but you need to search for a while. Not only do you need a decent amount of power, but you need a VERY good suspension. I assume you are going to run in the sfwd class since you mentioned 2300lbs. There is a lot that needs to be done in order to run in this class.

Also, we don't know what type of motor you are running. I am guessing from your name it is a 4 cylinder though...

SYD

not trying to be a ***** either but if u are not even sure how to make the power then u are far out of your league..making power is the easy part IMO..good luck though

Eluzion

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it's time for someone to do his homework.

There's a lot more involved to hitting 10's than you think. Not to be a dick, but you need to search for a while. Not only do you need a decent amount of power, but you need a VERY good suspension. I assume you are going to run in the sfwd class since you mentioned 2300lbs. There is a lot that needs to be done in order to run in this class.

Also, we don't know what type of motor you are running. I am guessing from your name it is a 4 cylinder though...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I completely agree with you but you know what's funny...

I was reading one of the newer Turbo magazines I think (might have been a different one)... but anyways, it had a turbocharged EH2 that runs 10.89@130mph. The article is kind of confusing and probably misleading but it's suppose to be the worlds fastest FWD drag radial car (although I'm not sure if he ran the 10.89 on the radials). Well, I was looking at what suspension mods and I was surprised:

Shocks: Factory Acura Shocks
Suspension: Neuspeed Springs

Maybe they screwed up or the guy lied but if it is true, pretty impressive in my opinion. I'm no suspension expert but I would think trying to run 10's would require upgraded shocks and stiffer springs (unless neuspeed sent him a custom spring rate, which I'm not sure if they do).

rev-speed

i ve been doing my homework
and found guys well know guys like stupid who ran a 11.4 with a stock ls motor and 60 single nozzle with stock suspension and ls tranny
then theres others that made 500hp with a stock gsr motor

and theres also guys that got an all stock b16 turbo and nitrous that runs 10

i just want to hit 10.99
as far as suspension if all these guys ran stock
why can t i
all they have is coil overs and stock every thing else

PrecisionH23a

Sounds like you did your homework. So since you know everything, why are you asking us for our opinions and knowledge?

Oyvind Ryeng

I do believe that sleeving is recommended for 500 WHP, to prolong engine life. I'm sure your engine will make 500 WHP, but the question is: For how long? Sleeving is also good for peace-of-mind, so you can step on it without worrying if it's going to blow up anytime soon.

tegmech

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Oyvind Ryeng &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do believe that sleeving is recommended for 500 WHP, to prolong engine life. I'm sure your engine will make 500 WHP, but the question is: For how long? Sleeving is also good for peace-of-mind, so you can step on it without worrying if it's going to blow up anytime soon.</TD></TR></TABLE>

4cylinder, I recommend sleeving that motor. Your definetly pushing the limits of that block to run 500hp on stock sleeves. Yes it can be done, but not reliably. Over 500 whp makes its pretty safe to know that your going to blow something up soon. Good luck though, Its going to be tough to make that power though on that setup.

rev-speed

i wanted to know what kind of problems i ll run into?

and will i be able to hit 10s or do i need to rev higher than 8500 to hit 10s
hopefully someone in the 10s can answer.

rev-speed

i know that the sleeves is my down fall
but then again i see alot of guys on here and other forum that has sleeves that blew

since i don t want to waste anymore time and already have the motor in the car i ll just run it like this

and if this setup blows
its time 4 k-serise

PrecisionH23a

We already answered, but you already know better.

So let me get this straight, you want to save a measly 800 bucks on sleeving and take your chances but if it blows you are going to fork out 3500 for a k series motor and have to completely redo your whole entire set-up? If you have a reputable company sleeve your block, you will be fine. I can have your block sleeved locally for 775 plus shipping and that includes darton MID sleeves which will easily withstand 500whp.

Jinx ran 500whp on stock sleeves and I believe he may have hit 10's with that set-up, but keep in mind he did not go around running that amount of power every day.

Personally I wouldn't push stock sleeves any higher than 20psi which is roughly 400ish whp on a decently sized turbo.

TurboJesse

You only need 400whp to run 10's if you can drive. You can easily make that with that setup. If you want to push 500ish i would get some retainers/valve springs. Stock sleeves are fine if your on race gas and tuned well.

rev-speed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We already answered, but you already know better.

So let me get this straight, you want to save a measly 800 bucks on sleeving and take your chances but if it blows you are going to fork out 3500 for a k series motor and have to completely redo your whole entire set-up? If you have a reputable company sleeve your block, you will be fine. I can have your block sleeved locally for 775 plus shipping and that includes darton MID sleeves which will easily withstand 500whp.

Jinx ran 500whp on stock sleeves and I believe he may have hit 10's with that set-up, but keep in mind he did not go around running that amount of power every day.

Personally I wouldn't push stock sleeves any higher than 20psi which is roughly 400ish whp on a decently sized turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i would run only 12psi daily
besides my turbo doesnt full spool until about 5800 rpm
so its like a turtle unless i push it

i would only use c16
and push it on the track that hard

as 4 now im only at 6psi daily and i never feel any power unless i push it hard

PrecisionH23a

You are going to hit 500whp on 12psi? Wow. Are you running a t88 or something on a D series? I'm going to leave this thread alone now.... I think you still need to do some homework.

rev-speed

how can i hit 500hp on 12 psi ? i never said it would make 500hp on 12psi
i said 4 daily driving i would just run 12 so i dont push it
but 4 the track i would run what ever i need to make 500hp im pretty sure it will be at least 20psi plus the nitrous

rev-speed

what kind of 60 footer would i need to hit 10s with 400hp?

95GSRTT

1.7 or lower

NIAScrew2

running 10's takes a combonation of differ things, good driver, power, suspenion, gearing helps alot good luck thou specially not having a sleeve block and running turbo and nitrious engine life maybe cut very short

flip1199

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but 4 the track i would run what ever i need to make 500hp im pretty sure it will be at least 20psi plus the nitrous</TD></TR></TABLE>

so your gonna boost and run nitrous on stoc sleeves? I think your pretty much set then. just boost 24lbs and a 100 shot and you should be in 10's no problem..

Use this as your guide: fast, cheap, reliable.... pick two.

Killer_B

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build the motor. crank it. tune it. learn to drive it.

make sure its going to last or handle some serious boost and/or power. re-tune and make more power. learn to drive it.


get 300-400hp then think about 500hp and 10's.


you have to walk before you run.