91accordexr33

Im building up a motor, an f22b1 SOHC VTEC to be exact. The motor has the following:

1994 F22B1 Block
Golden Eagle "Godzilla" Sleeves
Arias 8.8:1 Pistons
Crower Rods
Everything is balanced
Balanced and micropolished crank
All ARP hardware
UR Racing crank pulley

1994 F22B1 Head
Full KG Precision Engineering Stage 5 Head
SSI Valves, Springs and retainers
Heavily Ported and Polished
Custom Crower turbo cam
UR adjustable cam gear
Portmatched and polished intake manifold and TB
Plastic intake manifold gasket

I recently purchased the motor from a friend. The motor made 420/390 on 22psi with a mid sized t3/t4 on a modified drag kit when he had it before he parted it all out. I want about 450whp 400 tq on the same boost level. I want to run 14 low boost ( he made 300/280 on 14 psi) and run 22 on high boost...

My question is which turbo to go with. With a 85mm bore and a 95mm stroke, its hard to search on here and compare to this setup. I've been narrowing the turbo choices down to the SC61, GT3076R, or a GT35R. I want full boost by 4000-4500 rpm since thats the peak tq of the motor. I want something thats a street monster and can put down good et's on the weekends. Its not daily driven, but it is street driven.

Which turbo do you think would be best suited for my likings? Decent spool with good pull to redline ( probably gonna keep it down to 6500-6800).

Thanks for any help guys!

91accordexr33

anyone?

RyanEJ8

I'm going to say the GT35R would be the best for your goals. I don't think the SC61 will spool as fast as you want.

S@nt0s

i would have went with the non vtec F22 head... flows crazy!!!
but with the slecetion u have listed.. .have u looked into a 62-1?

91accordexr33

no i haven't, do you have a link or compressor map?

Is the SOHC V head that bad? I heard the same thing, but i thought maybe with the headwork it would have been a little better....

thanks guys for the help

S@nt0s

if i rememebr right the non vtec F22 head flows about 280cfm's... thats about equal to a well prepped B series head...
why do you think Bisi runs the NON vtec head????

purpleh22

I think even the GT30 with the .82 a/r would work. Quick spool makes it a great street FI setup. GT35 would give you more headroom for those inevitable future increases.

91accordexr33

maybe i can get my head tested to see how well it flows...

the .82 a/r aint too big? what about a gt35r with the .63a/r

RyanEJ8

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91accordexr33 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe i can get my head tested to see how well it flows...

the .82 a/r aint too big? what about a gt35r with the .63a/r</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't go with a .82a/r if you're only revving to 6800rpm.

purpleh22

Right. the .63 would do.

93supercoupe

35r, 63AR, done deal.

rhdune16

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i rememebr right the non vtec F22 head flows about 280cfm's... thats about equal to a well prepped B series head...
why do you think Bisi runs the NON vtec head???? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you mean the F22Ax heads as the non vtec head because the f22b2 is non vtec and I know that this head doesn't flow well.

I have a built f22b2 which has the bottom end built like yours and I am making around 280HP at 10psi... thats because I run an open downpipe and it helps spool alot quicker and gains more torque. If you don't want to run OD all the time then get an E-cutout... believe me, an open downpipe made a huge difference on my motor and I'm sure it'll do the same on yours

RyanEJ8

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S@nt0s

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rhdune16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think you mean the F22Ax heads as the non vtec head because the f22b2 is non vtec and I know that this head doesn't flow well.

I have a built f22b2 which has the bottom end built like yours and I am making around 280HP at 10psi... thats because I run an open downpipe and it helps spool alot quicker and gains more torque. If you don't want to run OD all the time then get an E-cutout... believe me, an open downpipe made a huge difference on my motor and I'm sure it'll do the same on yours</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes the F22A head is correct!

fast93accord

This is like my setup. I have a fully sleeved/built F22a1 nonvtec. The head has some very extreme porting done by myself... I never dyno'd mine, but on only 15psi, and the wrong sparkplug gaps, causing lots of misfires i still ran a 12.5 at around 115mph. And this was with bad tire spin off the line, and topend of 3rd and 4th gears it was completly breaking up... On 15psi on pumpgas it is insane...

I have had it at 20psi before on C16 and even with slicks it would still spin in 4th if i rolled on the gas... I'm sure if i had better traction i could go 11's with only 15psi... My car is currently down due to a broken turbo, but it should be capable of over 500whp with around 26+psi... My turbo was a 60-1 compressor on a TD06H turbine wheel. It was standard bearing so between shifts boost fell off pretty bad... Around 3300rpm i would start making boost and full boost would be hit at 5k. I would normally rev to around 7200, but the power doesn't fall off... so i'm sure it could go higher... After doing math for literly months with different turbos with the f22, under different situations i found the 60-1 to be ideal, and it has proven to be awesome on this motor. Oh, and btw, i was using only a 2.5" downpipe with 2-1/4 cat, and 2-3/8 exhuast, which definatly was choking it up.
Goodluck with your setup and let us know how it goes.
I think many dont realize the potential of the F22. Vtec is unnecessary.... and only extra parts when it comes to turbo cars... Oh, and one other thing. I was using 24.5" slicks... Not big enough for my setup. I need 26". When my turbo broke i was running 20psi at the track, on a good pass, topend of 4th gear i was already doing 120mph at 7200rpm a little before the traps... then my oilpump broke... and my turbo didnt like that... So i guess i need taller tires...

S@nt0s

yes the F22 can make TONS of TORQUE... which is what wins races..

91accordexr33

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If you don't want to run OD all the time then get an E-cutout... believe me, an open downpipe made a huge difference on my motor and I'm sure it'll do the same on yours</TD></TR></TABLE>

On my current f22ax DSM setup i am running an ecut out and it works tons. Best mod so far on that setup, so i will most likely keep it, or go full 3" turbo back.

.63 gt35r it is...sounds like i wont have too many problems with lag, and i will definatley hit the 450 mark that i want. If i can afford meth, i may try to see 525 with some meth injection....

I have the b1 vtec head sitting with the motor, but i still have a f22ax head availiable as well as a jdm f20 DOHC head here as well. If the b1 head feels bad, then i might just go DOHC....i just dont have funds to do headwork on the DOHC just yet

fast93, i kno you over on cb7tuner, how ya been. I kno you've had traction problems, and im curious about your entire suspension setup. traction bars?

I'll worry about slicks after the car is close to completion. ive been getting some pointers from md23vtec as well, so hopefully you guys will point me in the right direction!

Now for a manifold...i would like to stay as simple as possible, log would help my spool too right? Plus fitting the gt35r looks to be a pain, but a half radiator and some luck just might do it. Any reccomended manifolds fo rthe f22b1?

thanks again fellas

hinds90

Subscribed. You have any pic's.

91accordexr33

i'll take some pics when i start rebuilding the block. I have a few at home, but they aint that good....

any reccomendations on bearings, oil pump, headgasket, and piston ring preferences guys?

rhdune16

here is a pic of my recent setup (built f22b2 turbo and some more goodies)

fast93accord

traction? lol, what traction? I have the stock suspension and it blows... I need $$$ for a new turbo, coilovers, and a lsd... and i want to buy a tig welder to do other stuff...

91accordexr33

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rhdune16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is a pic of my recent setup (built f22b2 turbo and some more goodies)

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thanks for the threadjack! What turbo you runnin, and which manifold? Think i could fit a filter on a 35r with a simlar manifold (i have no AC) (nice setup, very pleasing to my eyes )

fast93: haha that sucks man. Im lookin into coilovers at the moment, the Eibach prokit is a bit soft. I have a quaife lsd and some gearspeed sync that are gonna be put into the h23 trans. With 26" tires, you think i'll have to use 5th on the track?

0Bisimoto

I am so proud to see all these single cams doing it. You guys should really look into my Level 1 camshafts, and cam gears. They make a huge difference on turbo applications. Keep up the hard work.

RyanEJ8

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We are so fortunate to have you as an inspiration.

notoriousB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you guys should really look into my Level 1 camshafts</TD></TR></TABLE>
interesting, I may be swapping my head gasket soon. hmmm....

why would you recommend level 1 vs. level 2? does 2 require valve springs or increased piston clearance?