boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe...
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boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe...
what do you think is better...have a bet with a friend that a built and boosted d16 would be cheaper then swaping an all motor b16 or b18c ....
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (PiMpIn)
all motor doesn't mean "not turbo"
I would turbo a B if you want to go fast. With the B there is almost infinite potential. You can turbo the D if you want, but IMO it's a big *** waste of time.
I would turbo a B if you want to go fast. With the B there is almost infinite potential. You can turbo the D if you want, but IMO it's a big *** waste of time.
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (GetawayInMoscow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayInMoscow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all motor doesn't mean "not turbo"
I would turbo a B if you want to go fast. With the B there is almost infinite potential. You can turbo the D if you want, but IMO it's a big *** waste of time.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lets assume you're trying to build a quick street car, limited by 93octane and traction. There are multiple threads that prove a stock D16 head can do low 300's, which is at the point where street rubber cries. We already know the HT bandwagon doesn't give two ***** about properly matching the turbo to the motor BASED ON HP GOAL, so that throws out the argument that the smaller motor/worse head means you sacrafice spool time.
A fully built D16 bottom + HMT turbo kit (using good parts) = $2500 tops
A low-milage B16 w/trans + boltons = $2500 minimum
With the right turbo, you'll have more power than the B16, yet have a FAT toruqe curve and fast spool.
And I laughed at that first sentence, 'all motor doesn't mean no turbo'. Thats like saying you're a vegitarian, but eat pork. All motor means NO forced induction of any kind, Forced Induction means some sort of forced induction - turbo, sc, nos...
I would turbo a B if you want to go fast. With the B there is almost infinite potential. You can turbo the D if you want, but IMO it's a big *** waste of time.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lets assume you're trying to build a quick street car, limited by 93octane and traction. There are multiple threads that prove a stock D16 head can do low 300's, which is at the point where street rubber cries. We already know the HT bandwagon doesn't give two ***** about properly matching the turbo to the motor BASED ON HP GOAL, so that throws out the argument that the smaller motor/worse head means you sacrafice spool time.
A fully built D16 bottom + HMT turbo kit (using good parts) = $2500 tops
A low-milage B16 w/trans + boltons = $2500 minimum
With the right turbo, you'll have more power than the B16, yet have a FAT toruqe curve and fast spool.
And I laughed at that first sentence, 'all motor doesn't mean no turbo'. Thats like saying you're a vegitarian, but eat pork. All motor means NO forced induction of any kind, Forced Induction means some sort of forced induction - turbo, sc, nos...
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (HiProfile)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And I laughed at that first sentence, 'all motor doesn't mean no turbo'. Thats like saying you're a vegitarian, but eat pork. All motor means NO forced induction of any kind, Forced Induction means some sort of forced induction - turbo, sc, nos...</TD></TR></TABLE>
expletive that noise. Having a stock *** H/B/D/F/K does not mean you are "all motor". All motor means you are built NA with things like a fatty *** header, big *** cams, and high compression.
A ******* minivan isn't all-motor just because it has no turbo. Thanks for being a smartass though!
A D16 turbo will be faster than a B16 but a B-series has A LOT more potential.
And I laughed at that first sentence, 'all motor doesn't mean no turbo'. Thats like saying you're a vegitarian, but eat pork. All motor means NO forced induction of any kind, Forced Induction means some sort of forced induction - turbo, sc, nos...</TD></TR></TABLE>
expletive that noise. Having a stock *** H/B/D/F/K does not mean you are "all motor". All motor means you are built NA with things like a fatty *** header, big *** cams, and high compression.
A ******* minivan isn't all-motor just because it has no turbo. Thanks for being a smartass though!
A D16 turbo will be faster than a B16 but a B-series has A LOT more potential.
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (GetawayInMoscow)
last time i checked having a motor with no power adder meant you were "all motor"
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go turbo d if you want to have a quick car, but youll want to build it after a few months. you will get used to it and want more hp. thats when youll say "dang, shoulda bought a b for more displacement"
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (GetawayInMoscow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayInMoscow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All motor means you are built NA with things like a fatty *** header, big *** cams, and high compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So waht's the term for a stock, no-power-adder motor? Un-FI? Natrually-aspirated covers both stock and you're definition of all-motor, so that won't work either. Please inform me, I don't want to look like a 'square' at the next All-Motor Jubile in hicksville...
Having all those mods just means its a highly-moddified all-motor car. Having little to nothing means its a stock all-motor car. Just like a stock factory-turbo car is a stock forced-induction car, and a 1000whp monster supra is a moddified forced-induction car.
So waht's the term for a stock, no-power-adder motor? Un-FI? Natrually-aspirated covers both stock and you're definition of all-motor, so that won't work either. Please inform me, I don't want to look like a 'square' at the next All-Motor Jubile in hicksville...
Having all those mods just means its a highly-moddified all-motor car. Having little to nothing means its a stock all-motor car. Just like a stock factory-turbo car is a stock forced-induction car, and a 1000whp monster supra is a moddified forced-induction car.
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (HiProfile)
all depends on how much money you have, and how quick you wana be. you will get bored with a stock b16/18 in a couple off weeks. i got bored with my 220whp itr motor and am going to a built turbo d
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (stdefhatch)
Yeah, you will get tired of the power level you'll be at, especially if it 250-260 or under. I've been over 300 for about a week now, and am already wanting more. Time to get the b16 head to the machine shop and start prepping it for LS/VTEC turbo.
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Re: boosted D16 vs B16 stock vs B18c stock swap in 94 dx coupe... (HiProfile)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So waht's the term for a stock, no-power-adder motor? Un-FI? Natrually-aspirated covers both stock and you're definition of all-motor, so that won't work either. Please inform me, I don't want to look like a 'square' at the next All-Motor Jubile in hicksville...
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It's called ******* stock. Why does it have to be one or the other?
If you do a D-swap into a hatch, are you all motor?
So waht's the term for a stock, no-power-adder motor? Un-FI? Natrually-aspirated covers both stock and you're definition of all-motor, so that won't work either. Please inform me, I don't want to look like a 'square' at the next All-Motor Jubile in hicksville...
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It's called ******* stock. Why does it have to be one or the other?
If you do a D-swap into a hatch, are you all motor?
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