bone stock ls wanting turbo
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bone stock ls wanting turbo
i hvae a bone stock ls right now and i want to get the greddy carb legal turbo kit (i live in ca). would it be safe to run it on stock internals? i want to run about 10-15 psi for daily driving. what do you have to say?
03-25-2003, 11:20 AM
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (FrostWhiteDC4)
I would say no! I think you may need to do a tad more research. Ask Foozball about running 15psi on a stock motor. Oh yeah he had eagle rods and wiseco pistons. He has the AEM EMS tuned at Jotech.......but the motor still went because the lack of sleveeing. If you want to boost that much daily you also need to get rid of the Blue Box. Good luck.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (Xscream)
icic, then ill run 7 if thats safe for my motor. can you give me more info on this? 7psi on stock internals?
03-25-2003, 12:49 PM
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (InTeGrA B18b1)
Yea... sleeves giving out at 15psi that is rubbish. Cheezfrog is hitting what... 24psi on stock sleeves + BG?
Id just go for no more than 12psi if you have a perfect a/f ratio / timing. Depends on turbo size too.
Id just go for no more than 12psi if you have a perfect a/f ratio / timing. Depends on turbo size too.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (94goldjungsr)
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I would not say that for no reason. The motor was tuned and was running 15psi. Cracked a cylinder wall. That's enough proof to me that stock can not handle 15psi for a long period of time. He had pistons and rods, but no sleeving. I would not do it if you plan to stay a stock motor. If you could i wouldn't say you couldn't, but ive seen it done and it wont last. Plan and simple. Also we are taslking about the Greddy Kit. From what ive been told around 11-12psi using the Greddy box the wastegate starts acting funky.
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Yea... sleeves giving out at 15psi that is rubbish. Cheezfrog is hitting what... 24psi on stock sleeves + BG?
Id just go for no more than 12psi if you have a perfect a/f ratio / timing. Depends on turbo size too.
Id just go for no more than 12psi if you have a perfect a/f ratio / timing. Depends on turbo size too.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (HybridcivicLS-T)
would 7psi give me about 50% increase in power? im look towards the greddy carb legal turbo kit.
03-25-2003, 01:36 PM
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (FrostWhiteDC4)
would 7psi give me about 50% increase in power? im look towards the greddy carb legal turbo kit.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (HybridcivicLS-T)
would 7psi give me about 50% increase in power? im look towards the greddy carb legal turbo kit.
@ 7psi you will get between 60-80whp. you should be right @ the 200whp range. If you looking for a carb legal kit. Go for it. I don't like Greddy because I found you can get better for the money but, I heard it pretty bad in cali to get an inspection. In Texas it's never a problem.
@ 7psi you will get between 60-80whp. you should be right @ the 200whp range. If you looking for a carb legal kit. Go for it. I don't like Greddy because I found you can get better for the money but, I heard it pretty bad in cali to get an inspection. In Texas it's never a problem.
hm.... about 5000 bucks for 50 whp? is that even worth it?
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (FrostWhiteDC4)
cheezefrog has and is running more that 15 on stock sleeves(tuned by st00pid), shami ran somewhere in the 20psi range on a stock bottom end(tuned by st00pid), and jason himself ran rediculous boost on a stock GSR bottom end i believe(obviously tuned by st00pid). it is possible, i plan on doing it with a block guard i will be tuned by st00pid. point is it is possible its all about t00ning, find someone who really knows their stuff. but obviously lower boost will be safer.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (HybridcivicLS-T)
IYea... sleeves giving out at 15psi that is rubbish. Cheezfrog is hitting what... 24psi on stock sleeves + BG?
Id just go for no more than 12psi if you have a perfect a/f ratio / timing. Depends on turbo size too.
I would not say that for no reason. The motor was tuned and was running 15psi. Cracked a cylinder wall. That's enough proof to me that stock can not handle 15psi for a long period of time. He had pistons and rods, but no sleeving. I would not do it if you plan to stay a stock motor. If you could i wouldn't say you couldn't, but ive seen it done and it wont last. Plan and simple. Also we are taslking about the Greddy Kit. From what ive been told around 11-12psi using the Greddy box the wastegate starts acting funky.
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Id just go for no more than 12psi if you have a perfect a/f ratio / timing. Depends on turbo size too.
I would not say that for no reason. The motor was tuned and was running 15psi. Cracked a cylinder wall. That's enough proof to me that stock can not handle 15psi for a long period of time. He had pistons and rods, but no sleeving. I would not do it if you plan to stay a stock motor. If you could i wouldn't say you couldn't, but ive seen it done and it wont last. Plan and simple. Also we are taslking about the Greddy Kit. From what ive been told around 11-12psi using the Greddy box the wastegate starts acting funky.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (Specialk)
cheezefrog has and is running more that 15 on stock sleeves(tuned by st00pid), shami ran somewhere in the 20psi range on a stock bottom end(tuned by st00pid), and jason himself ran rediculous boost on a stock GSR bottom end i believe(obviously tuned by st00pid). it is possible, i plan on doing it with a block guard i will be tuned by st00pid. point is it is possible its all about t00ning, find someone who really knows their stuff. but obviously lower boost will be safer.
. I guess i don't know good tuners..8's aww there is better.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (FrostWhiteDC4)
DUDE! foozballs car was NOT tuned to 15psi. They tuned it to 8lbs, where it made 230whp. Then he left the shop and later turned it up to 15lbs WITHOUT a 15lb tune and cracked a sleeve. 
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (FrostWhiteDC4)
frostwhitedc4- like everyone has said already w/ a good tune u can run a good amount of boost on a stock motor. conservative timing and rich a/f are basically the trick, as well as a reliable set up. its never gonna be safe boosting a honda, but if u do it right, it can last awhile and make good power.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (94goldjungsr)
Okay word up i agree with this. I as asuming you werent using the greddy box / wastegate. Which is a must at over 10psi even.
03-25-2003, 02:42 PM
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frostwhitedc4- like everyone has said already w/ a good tune u can run a good amount of boost on a stock motor. conservative timing and rich a/f are basically the trick, as well as a reliable set up. its never gonna be safe boosting a honda, but if u do it right, it can last awhile and make good power.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (DIRep)
DUDE! foozballs car was NOT tuned to 15psi. They tuned it to 8lbs, where it made 230whp. Then he left the shop and later turned it up to 15lbs WITHOUT a 15lb tune and cracked a sleeve.
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Re: bone stock ls wanting turbo (HybridcivicLS-T)
ok here we go, Went to jotech told him I was wanting to run 12 psi till I got my new ignition on, so I go back 2 days later and showed me the dyno plot. It madde 233 whp and 215 ft/lbs of torque. Kenny did not write down what boost level that was at so it was either 8 or 12.
He then told me he tuned it for 15 psi b/c I was wanting to run it later and it was going well over 250 whp and he shut it down.
Now, I have been running 12 psi for about 2 months and no probs, then I get the ignition on and asked tony if I can run 15 psi on my motor, he says yea. So the next few weeks I am running 15 psi, then Boombitch.
I was going down 121 was WOT 2nd and then 3rd, then i look out the back and looks like I just did a 3 minute burnout, white smoke everywhere, so now I thought I had a blown headgasket, I go home pop the head off and bam cracked #3 cyl.
Im going to get to the bottom of this.
He then told me he tuned it for 15 psi b/c I was wanting to run it later and it was going well over 250 whp and he shut it down.
Now, I have been running 12 psi for about 2 months and no probs, then I get the ignition on and asked tony if I can run 15 psi on my motor, he says yea. So the next few weeks I am running 15 psi, then Boombitch.
I was going down 121 was WOT 2nd and then 3rd, then i look out the back and looks like I just did a 3 minute burnout, white smoke everywhere, so now I thought I had a blown headgasket, I go home pop the head off and bam cracked #3 cyl.
Im going to get to the bottom of this.