Re: (d16z6Tcrx)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i been called wost http://is.rely.net/1-92-56342-l-HDIv...QjldAGcqmQ.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

It wasn't a comment aimed at your feelings. It was a commentary on the quality of what resides between your ears.

I've racked up over 9500 posts in this forum, and I assure you that I am a known quantity. While some people think I'm an asshole, I am not a liar and I consider all aspects before opening my mouth. I am fairly well equipped to figure out the boost level of the car I am tuning, thanks.

To paraphrase xenocron, I don't make the power - the setup does. I just push laptop buttons to make sure everything is safe and runs well.

Speaking of xenocron, here's another 300 whp SOHC @ 13 psi for you to make ignorant noise over: http://forum.ectune.com/viewtopic.php?t=478

For the record It'd make better power than my 300 @ 12 psi car if it wasn't crippled by a stock IM. Again, all in the setup.


Modified by Joseph Davis at 3:28 PM 2/17/2008

Re: (Joseph Davis)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It wasn't a comment aimed at your feelings. It was a commentary on the quality of what resides between your ears.

I've racked up over 9500 posts in this forum, and I assure you that I am a known quantity. While some people think I'm an asshole, I am not a liar and I consider all aspects before opening my mouth. I am fairly well equipped to figure out the boost level of the car I am tuning, thanks.

To paraphrase xenocron, I don't make the power - the setup does. I just push laptop buttons to make sure everything is safe and runs well.

Speaking of xenocron, here's another 300 whp SOHC @ 13 psi for you to make ignorant noise over: http://forum.ectune.com/viewtopic.php?t=478

For the record It'd make better power than my 300 @ 12 psi car if it wasn't crippled by a stock IM. Again, all in the setup.


Modified by Joseph Davis at 3:28 PM 2/17/2008</TD></TR></TABLE>

im sorry if i hurt your feelings. heres a tissue https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

nobody said anything about how much psi does it take to make 300whp on a sohc. i simply said i highly doubt a gt28rs can make 300whp on a sohc with just 12psi. its only rated to 300-325.

that other graph you linked was a t3/to4e 60 trim on 13psi. theres a big difference. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif

Re: (d16z6Tcrx)
 

dude, jst give up already.

Re: (zex_cool)
 

haha this is going in the wrong direction now, i really enjoyed learning all of the experience with boosted sohcs everyone chimed in with. Joseph, i completely respect your background so dont get the wrong idea. I was just adding something from my comparitively limited experience as you would probably like to say.

I have a completely seperate question now, regarding y8-z6 comparison. Whats anyones opinion on a y8-bottom end compared to a z6 bottom end?? I have a z6 head on built y8 bottom end, so just wanting to know what erryone thinks in regards to making power. Figured since everyone i can think of in term of experts in the sohc world are on this one thread, then i should take advantage of it to learrnnnn.

Re: (Only1cam)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Only1cam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha this is going in the wrong direction now, i really enjoyed learning all of the experience with boosted sohcs everyone chimed in with. Joseph, i completely respect your background so dont get the wrong idea. I was just adding something from my comparitively limited experience as you would probably like to say.

I have a completely seperate question now, regarding y8-z6 comparison. Whats anyones opinion on a y8-bottom end compared to a z6 bottom end?? I have a z6 head on built y8 bottom end, so just wanting to know what erryone thinks in regards to making power. Figured since everyone i can think of in term of experts in the sohc world are on this one thread, then i should take advantage of it to learrnnnn.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Y8 block oiling issues, they have 1 oil journal vs th z6 has 2 oil journals, im going to be running the same z6/y8 and thats what everyone has said, just make sure you shim/port your oil pump, to give it that extra oil pressure and you should be fine. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif
Anything else im up for hearing as well guys

Re: (Only1cam)
 

good info on bisi cams

Re: (Only1cam)
 

thanks dustin ive been keeping an eye on your build, looks good so far! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Yeah, for sure some great info on Bisi's cams here. Lets keep it on topic!

Re: (dustinz_em1)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dustinz_em1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just make sure you shim/port your oil pump, to give it that extra oil pressure and you should be fine. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif </TD></TR></TABLE>

Everyone just loves to point out that the y8 pump flows less. We know it flows less, Honda designed it that way on purpose. There has yet to be any conclusive evidence that boosting the oil pressure or dicking with the pump is beneficial or necessary.

Re: (d16z6Tcrx)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

im sorry if i hurt your feelings. heres a tissue https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

nobody said anything about how much psi does it take to make 300whp on a sohc. i simply said i highly doubt a gt28rs can make 300whp on a sohc with just 12psi. its only rated to 300-325. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What does the turbo's size have to do with it making good power within it's rated limits? You failed to notice that it couldn't muster past 328-329 whp at 20 psi? Let's do the math, shall we? 8 psi, 25 psi, 3 and one eighth hp per psi. Sounds like the engine sucked the turbo dry because it was expletiveing efficient in that range.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that other graph you linked was a t3/to4e 60 trim on 13psi. theres a big difference. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif

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You mean how a T04E compressor is a lot less efficient than a GT-series compressor?

I'm not exactly new at this and this isn't exactly the first car I've tuned. What the hell do you have to offer by way of experience to... anything? http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emcrook.gif

Re: (Joseph Davis)
 

im too tired to search so ill just ask.

a gt28rs flows xx amount of cfm

a 60 trim to4e flows xx amount cfm

i made my point simple as that. if u dont like it....... who are you.? you are joesph davis. thats it

Re: (d16z6Tcrx)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im too tired to search so ill just ask.

a gt28rs flows xx amount of cfm

a 60 trim to4e flows xx amount cfm

i made my point simple as that. if u dont like it....... who are you.? you are joesph davis. thats it</TD></TR></TABLE>


you will also have to consider the efficiency of the two. apparently the gt28rs is very very efficient at 12psi on that particular engine.

the power may be from the timing and compression of that setup, if the turbo is super efficient right there so heat should be down.

but i'm no tuner thats just my speculation.


and if I read right that was his answer... efficiency

and yours was a V8 makes more power than a 4 cyl because its bigger, not always true and you should know that. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (agrn93ls)
 

anyway bump for bisi. in for dyno comparision

Re: (d16z6Tcrx)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyway bump for bisi. in for dyno comparision</TD></TR></TABLE>

+1

Re: (redex04)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyway bump for bisi. in for dyno comparision</TD></TR></TABLE>

+2

Re: (d16z6Tcrx)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d16z6Tcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyway bump for bisi. in for dyno comparision</TD></TR></TABLE>

+3

Re: (Legion)
 

any updates?

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

Still waiting...

Re: (Only1cam)
 

x3 on this vouch
Steven do you have his number?
I want to see if he will do my port work on the GSR

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

I got tired of waiting for results on these cams and i bought a zex 59300....proven time and time again.

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

I bought a 59300 because it was readily available from my local performance parts store for the right price. If I dont make 350whp with it, ill just keep turning up the boost until I do.

Stock IM by the way.

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

I'm also using a 59300 (105300 actually). But Bisi claims that it's not meant for turbo apps, and it has overlap which lets some of the boost escape through the exhaust valves etc. etc. Same old "turbo cam" vs. "non turbo cam" argument.

I'm just wanting some 3rd-party proof that his cams are better than the competition. Maybe he thinks that he can just post some tidbits of info on his site and expect consumers to buy his exorbitantly priced camshafts, or maybe it isn't enough of a money maker for him to even care about sales.

Personally, I don't care what it costs, I'll buy it if it's a marked improvement over the 59300. But I'm not going to buy it simply because he builds fast cars. Lol, I can't believe some people are willing to buy it just because his personal race cars are fast. That is such an illogical argument. What if the cam is a piece of crap? The cams he sells have nothing to do with how fast his race cars are, or how much he knows about d-series engines. Let's see a dyno compare: 59300 vs. Bisi cam. Heck, maybe that's something I'll have to do myself once I have the time for it.

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

I read some where that the mods get a little mad, when bisi post dyno numbers. I guess its like he is using post for free advertising. i bet he will email you some dyno numbers if you ask. he always is very very helpful when ask a questions.

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

Yes, my "hands were slapped" when I posted some dyno numbers on a different thread, but will share some info here:

D16Z6
Bisimoto level 1.2 camshaft
Springs
Bisimoto Cam gear
stock sleeves .5mm overbore
CP 9:1 pistons
eagle rods
acl bearings
cometic gasket
arp studs
stock port head
edelbrock manifold
AFI turbo kit
SC61 turbo .63 t3
3" downpipe/exhaust
hondata S100
dual stage manual boost controller
boost was 22-23 psi falling at higher rpm to 20-21 psi
413 whp, +300 ft/lbs tq

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...ohc413copy.jpg


D16Z6
Bisimoto level 1.2 Cam,
Bisimoto Pro Springs
Vitara Pistons,
Eagle Rods,
Headstuds,
Ebay Turbo,
Pump Gas,
8psi/1 bar
234 whp, 192 ft/lbs (at low 8psi)
301 whp, 241 ft/lbs (at about 1 bar)

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...6TurboCams.jpg



I have a zex vs. bisimoto chart at my facility, but it may cause a stir in this forum. I used a low boost application D-series for it, to really show the differences in the camshafts abilities.

Re: Bisimoto Turbo Cams??
 

destroked F22A (2.0ltr)
Stock sleeves,
H23 IM,
Ported head,
9.5:1 pistons,
Eagle rods,
Bisimoto 1.25 turbo cam,
Valve Springs,
H22 crank, Log manifold,
2.5" dp,
Precision SC6162S .63a/r
403whp/342 ft/lbs tq @ 17psi

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...n342-40220.jpg