Back from the dyno... 400 club :)
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Back from the dyno... 400 club :)
Last friday my friends and I headed out to Balanced Performance in Sugar Hills, GA for a dyno tune as well as the Nopi Nationals. For any of you that are looking for a GREAT dyno tuner, I highly recommend Ed at Balanced. He does a great job and he is more then happier to sit down and show you how the tuning process goes. I would also like to state to the people out there that want '400whp' that it requires a LOT more then just buying pistons, sleeves, rods, and a 60-1 turbo. Plan on putting your blood sweat and tears into your project and always expect the unexpected. Or you can always pay someone to do it for you... but you do not get the satisfaction of knowing that YOU did it yourself.
With that out of the way... The car was tuned on race gas for 20psi. For those of you that want high horsepower h series motors, i do not recommend running 93 octane above 375-390whp. This would be due to the mean specific brake consumption (msbc) of the h series motor as well as trying to avoid detonation. Around the 390whp mark we encountered a small misfire. So we then decided to add some 103 octane as well as gap the plugs from a .028 to a .025. First run after that increased 20whp. I originally planned on running straight 116 octane right around 25psi or so, but we decided to call it quits since our group was there from 10am-5pm. Maximum power was 423.3whp and 360 torque at 20psi. This was with relatively low timing and without even playing with cam gear settings. I could have squeezed a bit more power (450-475whp level) by advancing the timing, running 116 octane, and playing with the cam settings but we decided to stop while we were ahead. Plus, the rubber 90deg boot popped off everynow and then under the 20psi pulls. That will be soon solved by adding a 90 deg elbow welded to the compressor of the turbo in the near future.
A brief overview of the set-up includes the following:
Engine Management
Hondata Stage s200 Engine Management
GM 3 bar map sensor
Apexi AVC-R Boost Controller
Greddy Turbo Timer
Greddy Boost and EGT gauges
MSD 6AL ignition
MSD HVC coil
Fuel
RC Engineering 720CC Injectors
Earl's -8an Steel Braided Feed Line
Earl's -6an Steel Braided Return Line
AEM High Pressure Fuel Rail
Paxton adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator with Fuel Gauge
Paxton Fuel Filter
Walbro In-Tank 255 High Pressure Fuel Pump
Engine
Precision SC61 T04e compressor .58 a/r t4 turbo with vband
LoveFab SST Equal Length Tubular Manifold
Custom 3" v-band downpipe
Custom Mandrel Bent 3" exhaust with Apexi n1 cannister
PWR 24"x8"x3" Core Intercooler
2 1/4" intercooler piping
HKS Super Sequential blow off valve
Tial 35mm wastegate
GSR Fluidyne Radiator with Slim-Fit dual fans
Custom ARP head studs
Gude Racing Cylinder head Package
-Oversided Gude Throttle Body
-Ported/Polished intake manifold
-Ported/Polished Cylinder Head
-Racing grind valve job
-Turbo Camshafts (Intake and Exhaust)
-custom front motor mount
Custom 88MM CP Pistons 9.0:1 Compression
Swain Technology Coated pistons
-Top Gold Coat
-PC-9 sideskirt coat
-Wiseco 88mm piston rings
Crower 4340 Steel Billet Connecting Rods
Crower 220ksi Rod bolts
Honda OEM Rod/Main Bearings
Polished Crank
Darton Iron Ductile Sleeves with copper o-ring
OEM headgasket
Custom Steel Braided Ground Wires
Greddy Oil Catch Can
NGK BCPR7ES spark plugs
Transmission
Fully rebuilt with all OEM gears
Quaife Limited Slip Differential
ACT Clutch - (HA3-XTSS)
B&M short shifter
Stock Axles... for now
Keep in mind there has been major modification to the engine bay/suspension components/etc to allow for proper fitment of certain parts.
A few pictures:
(thats me in the pimp *** hawaiian pants)
Video of the dyno (2.6MB):
http://people.clemson.edu/~lan...p.mpg
-not the best video in the world, but it will do for now. I wish I would have taken more video's with my camera but I was paying more attention to the tuning process as well as monitoring the dynojet programs.
Special thanks-
Cody at LoveFab.com
Mike at MotorMatrix.com
XES for all of his helpful pointers
Integra707 for the IC
All of the Prelude and Forced Induction guys who have helped me out greatly
In the future to come-
Portflow head
Larger Valves
40mm wastegate
Sheetmetal Intake Manifold
880cc injectors
25 shot of NAWWZZZ
500whp badge
Modified by GudeH23a at 8:24 PM 9/22/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 8:27 PM 9/22/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 8:50 PM 9/22/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 12:01 PM 9/27/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 7:30 PM 9/27/2003
With that out of the way... The car was tuned on race gas for 20psi. For those of you that want high horsepower h series motors, i do not recommend running 93 octane above 375-390whp. This would be due to the mean specific brake consumption (msbc) of the h series motor as well as trying to avoid detonation. Around the 390whp mark we encountered a small misfire. So we then decided to add some 103 octane as well as gap the plugs from a .028 to a .025. First run after that increased 20whp. I originally planned on running straight 116 octane right around 25psi or so, but we decided to call it quits since our group was there from 10am-5pm. Maximum power was 423.3whp and 360 torque at 20psi. This was with relatively low timing and without even playing with cam gear settings. I could have squeezed a bit more power (450-475whp level) by advancing the timing, running 116 octane, and playing with the cam settings but we decided to stop while we were ahead. Plus, the rubber 90deg boot popped off everynow and then under the 20psi pulls. That will be soon solved by adding a 90 deg elbow welded to the compressor of the turbo in the near future.
A brief overview of the set-up includes the following:
Engine Management
Hondata Stage s200 Engine Management
GM 3 bar map sensor
Apexi AVC-R Boost Controller
Greddy Turbo Timer
Greddy Boost and EGT gauges
MSD 6AL ignition
MSD HVC coil
Fuel
RC Engineering 720CC Injectors
Earl's -8an Steel Braided Feed Line
Earl's -6an Steel Braided Return Line
AEM High Pressure Fuel Rail
Paxton adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator with Fuel Gauge
Paxton Fuel Filter
Walbro In-Tank 255 High Pressure Fuel Pump
Engine
Precision SC61 T04e compressor .58 a/r t4 turbo with vband
LoveFab SST Equal Length Tubular Manifold
Custom 3" v-band downpipe
Custom Mandrel Bent 3" exhaust with Apexi n1 cannister
PWR 24"x8"x3" Core Intercooler
2 1/4" intercooler piping
HKS Super Sequential blow off valve
Tial 35mm wastegate
GSR Fluidyne Radiator with Slim-Fit dual fans
Custom ARP head studs
Gude Racing Cylinder head Package
-Oversided Gude Throttle Body
-Ported/Polished intake manifold
-Ported/Polished Cylinder Head
-Racing grind valve job
-Turbo Camshafts (Intake and Exhaust)
-custom front motor mount
Custom 88MM CP Pistons 9.0:1 Compression
Swain Technology Coated pistons
-Top Gold Coat
-PC-9 sideskirt coat
-Wiseco 88mm piston rings
Crower 4340 Steel Billet Connecting Rods
Crower 220ksi Rod bolts
Honda OEM Rod/Main Bearings
Polished Crank
Darton Iron Ductile Sleeves with copper o-ring
OEM headgasket
Custom Steel Braided Ground Wires
Greddy Oil Catch Can
NGK BCPR7ES spark plugs
Transmission
Fully rebuilt with all OEM gears
Quaife Limited Slip Differential
ACT Clutch - (HA3-XTSS)
B&M short shifter
Stock Axles... for now
Keep in mind there has been major modification to the engine bay/suspension components/etc to allow for proper fitment of certain parts.
A few pictures:
(thats me in the pimp *** hawaiian pants)
Video of the dyno (2.6MB):
http://people.clemson.edu/~lan...p.mpg
-not the best video in the world, but it will do for now. I wish I would have taken more video's with my camera but I was paying more attention to the tuning process as well as monitoring the dynojet programs.
Special thanks-
Cody at LoveFab.com
Mike at MotorMatrix.com
XES for all of his helpful pointers
Integra707 for the IC
All of the Prelude and Forced Induction guys who have helped me out greatly
In the future to come-
Portflow head
Larger Valves
40mm wastegate
Sheetmetal Intake Manifold
880cc injectors
25 shot of NAWWZZZ
500whp badge
Modified by GudeH23a at 8:24 PM 9/22/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 8:27 PM 9/22/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 8:50 PM 9/22/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 12:01 PM 9/27/2003
Modified by GudeH23a at 7:30 PM 9/27/2003
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (GudeH23a)
Congratulations Anthony! I was there getting my car tuned by Ed on Tuesday. I also am now a member of the 400whp club ! Like you said, Ed is a great tuner and he has the best attitude. He really wants your car to do good.
What did you put down on Nopi's dyno?
What did you put down on Nopi's dyno?
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (SuperTeg95)
Actually i didn't put it on the dyno at nopi. I should have, but for some reason my AVC-R and my boost gauge are reading 2 different things right now... especially on the peak values. So i turned the boost down to run off of the wastegate until i swap out selenoids with my friend tomorrow afternoon.
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (GudeH23a)
YES! mine are too. Ed didn't know which one to trust so we avg'd them. Hondata and boost guage were alike and AVCR was like 2 psi off.
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (accordfreak)
Congrats! Ed is most definately a great tuner. He did a great job when I dynoed, and is a great guy all around.
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (SuperTeg95)
We decided to read off of the avc-r with the 1.3 bar reading. I was doing a 3-4-5th gear pull and it peaked at 1.92 bar. Which is strange because the hondata should have done a boost cut by then. I then turned the avc-r off and ran it off of the wastegate... the boost gauge read .45 bar (which is correct) but the avc-r read .81 bar. The only thing i can think of is when i was cleaning my bay it might have hit the selenoid with some brake parts cleaner and goofed it up.
Yes, I did move the radiator up a bit. I chopped the hell out of the core support because of clearance issues with the compressor on the turbo.
Yes, I am running the Gude port and polished head. I will soon be replacing it with a portflow head because portflow is where it's at
Yes, I did move the radiator up a bit. I chopped the hell out of the core support because of clearance issues with the compressor on the turbo.
Yes, I am running the Gude port and polished head. I will soon be replacing it with a portflow head because portflow is where it's at
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (T4 prelude beast)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GudeH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Engine
Precision SC61 T04e compressor .58 a/r t4 turbo with vband
LoveFab SST Equal Length Tubular Manifold
Custom 3" v-band downpipe
Custom Mandrel Bent 3" exhaust with Apexi n1 cannister
PWR 24"x8"x3" Core Intercooler
2 1/4" intercooler piping
HKS Super Sequential blow off valve
Tial 35mm wastegate
GSR Fluidyne Radiator with Slim-Fit dual fans
Custom ARP head studs
Gude Racing Cylinder head Package
-Oversided Gude Throttle Body
-Ported/Polished intake manifold
-Ported/Polished Cylinder Head
-Racing grind valve job
-Turbo Camshafts (Intake and Exhaust)
-custom front motor mount
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Precision SC61 T04e compressor .58 a/r t4 turbo with vband
LoveFab SST Equal Length Tubular Manifold
Custom 3" v-band downpipe
Custom Mandrel Bent 3" exhaust with Apexi n1 cannister
PWR 24"x8"x3" Core Intercooler
2 1/4" intercooler piping
HKS Super Sequential blow off valve
Tial 35mm wastegate
GSR Fluidyne Radiator with Slim-Fit dual fans
Custom ARP head studs
Gude Racing Cylinder head Package
-Oversided Gude Throttle Body
-Ported/Polished intake manifold
-Ported/Polished Cylinder Head
-Racing grind valve job
-Turbo Camshafts (Intake and Exhaust)
-custom front motor mount
</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (GudeH23a)
cool, ill be going there in a couple weeks!
did you have a O2 sensor welded to your downpipe?
ive talked to ed and he says i should get one so i can
hook it up to their wideband.
did you have one?
did you have a O2 sensor welded to your downpipe?
ive talked to ed and he says i should get one so i can
hook it up to their wideband.
did you have one?
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (-iLLuZioN-B18C1)
If you are going to use the one at the dyno, just get a bung welded into the DP and screw in a drain plug (I use a generic one off a toyota) until you are ready to use the one at the dyno.
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (-iLLuZioN-B18C1)
Yes I did use a wideband 02 on the dyno. The size nut you need is a 18x1.5 thread pitch. Ed actually sells wideband 02 kits for right around 500 bucks i believe.
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (GudeH23a)
Im actually surpised you didn't make more power on that 2.3 liter. Kind of makes me upset because I expect 500 with a t3/t04e 60 trim, .82 turbine .63 compressor, on race fuel. But I only have an h22.
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (mugensport9)
bad f*cking ***!
way to go.
finally!!!!!!
and holy **** look at the size of your rad!
howcome you revved to 7k only?
way to go.
finally!!!!!!
and holy **** look at the size of your rad!
howcome you revved to 7k only?
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (SiRkid)
Good numbers, about time someone with a love fab mani dyno'd what are your impressions of the mani??
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Re: Back from the dyno... 400 club :) (turbozxi)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbozxi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good numbers, about time someone with a love fab mani dyno'd what are your impressions of the mani?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, and I am impressed. Good work cody, oh yeah you to Gudeh23a
Rob
I agree, and I am impressed. Good work cody, oh yeah you to Gudeh23a
Rob