importtunerz

I need some opinions on this build. Also if anyone has a built b16 stock bore turbo can i please get some tips on what is needed.

Here is the plan to achive 250whp on 91 octane which i dont think should be that tough.

I am going with a full race turbo kit http://www.full-race.com
i will be sleveing the block and am considering new pistons and rods. Is it necesary to get new internals for 250whp?
As for other upgrades i will upgrade clutch igniton and fuel delivery. All running on a hondata ecu.

I need some opinions and advice please. Thank you

quik sol

250 whp is nothing for a stock block, just get a tuned right. Full-race kit is a little overkill for the power your seeking.

importtunerz

really? So i dont even need to sleeve or even do new interanls? The guys here in edmonton alberta that will be doing the work and other people are suggesting that 250whp will need new gearing and such. Could you by ne chance help me out. I am starting to get confused. What wpuld be needed to run 250-300whp reliably. And is sleeving a waste of time?

donkiman

for 250 whp u do not need to sleeve and u should keep your stock ignition its going to work better than your every day msd.

quik sol

Completely stock internals is fine for 250 whp, it has been done probly 100's of times on ht. All ya gotta do is have it tuned correctly.

Only thing I would recommend changing besides forced induction stuff is your clutch and maybe flywheel.

importtunerz

Kool thnx. and how about 300whp do you think that that is unsafe on a stock engine besides a flywheel and clutch? because i think i will be power hungry. THenx for the input.

quik sol

300 whp would be about as high as I would go. Yes plenty of people have 350whp on stock motors, BUT 300whp is alot of power and will put ALOT of cars to shame.

importtunerz

As for reliability of 300whp. THis is the absolute maximum power i would like to go. And i would like it to last for more than 3 years. Do you think i should upgrade my fuel pump and ignition along with a fuel pressure regulator, new clutch and flywheel. Or is that a bit overkill. As for internals are you positive that the rods and stock sleeves can handle this amount of boost? I live in edmonton alberta and its alot higher elevation that in some places in the us so it may take a higher psi to achive 300whp. I think i may just replave sleeves and rods just for reliability. As for the pistons if the stock motor can handle 300whp they should be fine right? well once i get the work done ill have to post a build topic. Thanks alot for the help. I may be back on here for a few questions. thnaks

quik sol

I am not to kean on elevation, you might wanna ask the experts here on that one. I just know alot of people say as long as ya got a good tune, 300whp B series motors are easy.

importtunerz

Ill go the safe way and sleeve it and eagle rods with ignition and minor fuel upgrades and it should be good.

99blackcivicSi

there is no need to sleeve that block at all, no need to really put rods and pistons in it if you only want 250whp, also the full race kit is overkill, go with a drag or revhard, no use in spending money you don't have to, unless you want the bling points

kleefton

If you think you'll be power hungry then I would definitely recommend you build the motor with at least pistons and rods.
IMO 250whp is nice but you're most likely going to want more.
300whp is nicer, and traction on street tires starts becoming a major issue, but you might still want more.
350whp is as high as I'd go on a street car.
Above that, you better be dragging that car on a consistent basis and have slicks, because you're not putting down that power on street tires.

FOrSfEd

The full-race kit is the best imo, but a lil overkill for 250 hp.

White Smoke

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You are not listening dude! You don’t need to sleeve the block for 250HP. Not to mention when you **** up that stock cast piston you will have fucked up your sleeves! Just spend that G you were going to spend on sleeves on LC pistons, Eagle rods, APR head studs, and a good head gasket ( I reccomend stock w/copper spray)
You also DONT NEED an ignition. Its a fine upgrade but not needed.
Full-Race=Overkill 4U
Fuel is #1 in a boosted app so minor fuel upgrades are not going to cut it kid.
You NEED Injectors, new in tank fuel pump, EMS (like hondata, AEM EMS, or urberdata), and a GOOD TUNE!!! An FPR and gauge are also a good upgrade but are at the bottom of the list.
Who ever told you to change the gears because you are going to have 250 HP is full of it and proly knows very little about Honda’s!
Also a clutch is a MUST and a FW is good too, just keep it around 12 lbs (the FW that is).
Good Luck

Ps: get a good catch can setup as well

FOrSfEd

Yeap everything that was listed above would be a great start and finish for you setuop. Good knowledge

tz-devil77

I say upgrade now, then you wont have to worry about pushing hte envelope later down the road!!! that is where i am going!

Chillinit

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i agree...you will save yourself a lot of headache and time. I went through two stock stepups this year.

TurboJesse

Stock b16a (custom turbo kit, about $2200 spend on EVERYTHING...clutch/fuel management, etc)

importtunerz

I am going to get a full race kit no matter what. I dont like drag or rev hard. So i suppose i will take on your advice. I was already going to run a hondata ecu which is good enuf for any amount of power. What i ment in minor fuel upgrades were injectors fuel pump and fuel pressure reg. As for internals ill just get pistons rods and arp bolts as you said. and same with the head gasket with copper gasket spray. I will have boost, water temp, oil press, egt and fuel pres gauges. Ill be sure to write this down and run it over the builders. THanks alot.

White Smoke

Full Race is good **** man
If you got the loot, you the man. You will have a very nice setup
Who will be tuning the setup?
Make sure to keep us updated on the finished product

2fastcivic

full race would be a waste of a good turbo kit if all you want is 250whp. seems like you need to do some more research before you start buying anything. the car aint **** if the driver doesnt know how it all works.

CRX T-Si

I made 245whp on the hack with 9psi.

It's all about the tuning man.

Good tune = reliable power

Check my sig for my setup.

Ri5e

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You can make 250 WHP with even a simple setup. I'd go Full-Race for 350+ WHP

importtunerz

Im going 300whp and as i said i may be power hungry and start running up to 400whp.

SiKid86

get a decent set of low compression pistions and a good set of rods and you will have a 300whp motor with no problems.. You could run a t3/t4 up to about 15 psi.. Also I have read that the stock sleeves on the b16s are good till about (400-450ish hp) Im not 100% how true it is though.