B16 100 shot w/ Hondata?
02-20-2007, 01:57 PM
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B16 100 shot w/ Hondata?
Ok, here it is. I would like to run nitrous on my STOCK b16a sirIII motor. I would be upgrading my fuel pump, and prolly my injectors too. I want to run a DRY shot because I will be using my S200's Nitrous controls, which will be able to add fuel and retard timing. I dont think it would be a problem (being tuned be a very reputable tuner) for the motor to take a 100 shot.
Please discuss...
Please discuss...
02-20-2007, 02:40 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (95accordh22a)
A 75 shot is a smarter choose. A 100 shot will just cause more detonation. I tuned a friends stock GSR on a 75shot and it made 266whp and went 12.0 @ 113 in a daily driven EG6. He tryed a 100 shot but it never went any faster and hurt the motor after a few passes. The motor didnt like that much spray.
edit. I had 6-10 degrees of timing pulled out of it plus race gas on the 100shot.
edit. I had 6-10 degrees of timing pulled out of it plus race gas on the 100shot.
02-20-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A 75 shot is a smarter choose. A 100 shot will just cause more detonation. I tuned a friends stock GSR on a 75shot and it made 266whp and went 12.0 @ 113 in a daily driven EG6. He tryed a 100 shot but it never went any faster and hurt the motor after a few passes. The motor didnt like that much spray.
edit. I had 6-10 degrees of timing pulled out of it plus race gas on the 100shot. </TD></TR></TABLE>was it a direct port or not?
edit. I had 6-10 degrees of timing pulled out of it plus race gas on the 100shot. </TD></TR></TABLE>was it a direct port or not?
02-20-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (Professor15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">was it a direct port or not?</TD></TR></TABLE>it was a DP
I would deff. not use a 100shot with a dry kit. I have had great luck with dry kits but only at 75 shot. I tryed a bigger shot but it ran worst.
I would deff. not use a 100shot with a dry kit. I have had great luck with dry kits but only at 75 shot. I tryed a bigger shot but it ran worst.
02-20-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it was a DP
I would deff. not use a 100shot with a dry kit. I have had great luck with dry kits but only at 75 shot. I tryed a bigger shot but it ran worst. </TD></TR></TABLE>Is there any way to run a 100 shot dp or more. on a an oem block? With the right fuel and engine managment.
I would deff. not use a 100shot with a dry kit. I have had great luck with dry kits but only at 75 shot. I tryed a bigger shot but it ran worst. </TD></TR></TABLE>Is there any way to run a 100 shot dp or more. on a an oem block? With the right fuel and engine managment.
02-21-2007, 02:07 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (Professor15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there any way to run a 100 shot dp or more. on a an oem block? With the right fuel and engine managment. </TD></TR></TABLE>Stock sleeves or stock pistons and rods?
The GSR set up that I am talking about had a good EMS and fuel set up, but the stock pistons along with a few other things is what limited the car from going any faster. You can run 100 or more but it prolly wont make any more power or go any faster unless your tune is off on the spray.
I also had a stock Type-R motor in my car and it didnt like anything more then a 70 shot (dry). I tryed bigger pills but it didnt run good no matter what I did to it.
The GSR set up that I am talking about had a good EMS and fuel set up, but the stock pistons along with a few other things is what limited the car from going any faster. You can run 100 or more but it prolly wont make any more power or go any faster unless your tune is off on the spray.
I also had a stock Type-R motor in my car and it didnt like anything more then a 70 shot (dry). I tryed bigger pills but it didnt run good no matter what I did to it.
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02-21-2007, 02:37 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (bnut510)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bnut510 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock b16 can only take so much.... i wouldnt go over 80shot... and i reccomend a wet kit instead of a dry.</TD></TR></TABLE>I like the dry kits. They are simple and they work very well, but I wouldnt go past a 75 shot. I know a few people that have sprayed more then a 75 shot but the results are not worth it.
The way I see it is that the dry kits are for dummys and the wets/DP's are for those that have some experience with nitrous
The way I see it is that the dry kits are for dummys and the wets/DP's are for those that have some experience with nitrous
02-21-2007, 03:26 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I like the dry kits. They are simple and they work very well, but I wouldnt go past a 75 shot. I know a few people that have sprayed more then a 75 shot but the results are not worth it.
The way I see it is that the dry kits are for dummys and the wets/DP's are for those that have some experience with nitrous</TD></TR></TABLE>
how u figure the wet is more for the experienced tho? i mean yeh, if something goes wrong... u have one more solenoid and fuel line to look after but thats pretty much it as far as a dry kit vs a wet kit. but its a tossup depending on what u prefer i guess.
The way I see it is that the dry kits are for dummys and the wets/DP's are for those that have some experience with nitrous</TD></TR></TABLE>
how u figure the wet is more for the experienced tho? i mean yeh, if something goes wrong... u have one more solenoid and fuel line to look after but thats pretty much it as far as a dry kit vs a wet kit. but its a tossup depending on what u prefer i guess.
02-21-2007, 05:09 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (bnut510)
Its a wet kit when your using hondata to add the fuel and pull the timing.
Like everyone else has said.. I wouldn't go over 75shot on a b16.
Like everyone else has said.. I wouldn't go over 75shot on a b16.
02-21-2007, 05:43 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stock sleeves or stock pistons and rods?
The GSR set up that I am talking about had a good EMS and fuel set up, but the stock pistons along with a few other things is what limited the car from going any faster. You can run 100 or more but it prolly wont make any more power or go any faster unless your tune is off on the spray.
I also had a stock Type-R motor in my car and it didnt like anything more then a 70 shot (dry). I tryed bigger pills but it didnt run good no matter what I did to it. </TD></TR></TABLE>Yes i was talking about stock pistons,rods and sleeves. Why doesnt it make any power? what prevents it from making more power?
The GSR set up that I am talking about had a good EMS and fuel set up, but the stock pistons along with a few other things is what limited the car from going any faster. You can run 100 or more but it prolly wont make any more power or go any faster unless your tune is off on the spray.
I also had a stock Type-R motor in my car and it didnt like anything more then a 70 shot (dry). I tryed bigger pills but it didnt run good no matter what I did to it. </TD></TR></TABLE>Yes i was talking about stock pistons,rods and sleeves. Why doesnt it make any power? what prevents it from making more power?
02-21-2007, 08:02 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (Professor15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes i was talking about stock pistons,rods and sleeves. Why doesnt it make any power? what prevents it from making more power? </TD></TR></TABLE>Stock piston can only handle so much. Plus the motor isnt as efficient when you start adding that much spray to it. If you think that I'm wrong just try it.
02-21-2007, 08:31 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
i have done this like atleast 10 times already....its not that hard man...just get colder plugs and back timing a bit...theres no need for a fuel pump...its not like your going to b spraying 120mph+...
02-21-2007, 08:39 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (yaaj1320)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yaaj1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have done this like atleast 10 times already....its not that hard man...just get colder plugs and back timing a bit...theres no need for a fuel pump...its not like your going to b spraying 120mph+...</TD></TR></TABLE>hahahaha can say KABOOM
02-22-2007, 09:56 AM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (yaaj1320)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yaaj1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its never went kaboom b4....theres a whole bunch of people who had done this...</TD></TR></TABLE>What did anyone of these cars run.
02-22-2007, 07:14 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Stock piston can only handle so much. Plus the motor isnt as efficient when you start adding that much spray to it. If you think that I'm wrong just try it.</TD></TR></TABLE>in any of my post i never said you were wrong, i was just trying to find out the reason. and you know what maybe i will try it out 
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (bnut510)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bnut510 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock b16 can only take so much.... i wouldnt go over 80shot... and i reccomend a wet kit instead of a dry.</TD></TR></TABLE>
he has hondata so he doesnt need to have the wet kit becaue the hondata will add fuel as it is needed and pull timing. so i would reccoment a dry kit...its what im looking into right now
he has hondata so he doesnt need to have the wet kit becaue the hondata will add fuel as it is needed and pull timing. so i would reccoment a dry kit...its what im looking into right now
02-23-2007, 08:40 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (nonvtecallmotor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What did anyone of these cars run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the fastest one i had was a EG hatch stock gsr with intake and headers...ran 13.1@111mph....that was with 17 inch rims and kumho tires...(didnt have the spacers for the bogarts)...would have we mid 12 easy with the slicks....ran for about 8 months then i flipped the car cause a derr came out in front of me...
the fastest one i had was a EG hatch stock gsr with intake and headers...ran 13.1@111mph....that was with 17 inch rims and kumho tires...(didnt have the spacers for the bogarts)...would have we mid 12 easy with the slicks....ran for about 8 months then i flipped the car cause a derr came out in front of me...
02-23-2007, 08:47 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (yaaj1320)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yaaj1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the fastest one i had was a EG hatch stock gsr with intake and headers...ran 13.1@111mph....that was with 17 inch rims and kumho tires...(didnt have the spacers for the bogarts)...would have we mid 12 easy with the slicks....ran for about 8 months then i flipped the car cause a derr came out in front of me... </TD></TR></TABLE>I tuned a stock GSR on a 75 shot DP and the car went 12.3 @ 115 on a 225 bfg and 12.0 on slicks.......
the fastest one i had was a EG hatch stock gsr with intake and headers...ran 13.1@111mph....that was with 17 inch rims and kumho tires...(didnt have the spacers for the bogarts)...would have we mid 12 easy with the slicks....ran for about 8 months then i flipped the car cause a derr came out in front of me...
</TD></TR></TABLE>I tuned a stock GSR on a 75 shot DP and the car went 12.3 @ 115 on a 225 bfg and 12.0 on slicks.......
02-23-2007, 08:50 PM
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Re: B16 100 shot w/ Hondata? (Professor15)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">in any of my post i never said you were wrong, i was just trying to find out the reason. and you know what maybe i will try it out </TD></TR></TABLE>Go for it. 
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