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Old 03-12-2019, 08:52 PM
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Ok, so a little premature since we dont have the car yet but I have a few Im looking at now and will be buying soon. I do however have a lot of parts that I've bought over the years, and previously had a B18C1 swapped hatch a few yeara ago. We're (me and my son) going to be building either a B16A or B18C1 motor - prefer the B18, but B16A may happen since we're in CA and most of the Bar'd cars have B16s. Photos to come later as my garage is in shambles but here is the list to start from what I can remember (and organize the build):

PARTS WE HAVE:

Intercooler (Spearco core?)
Intercooler piping
InlinePro stainless - Jet hot coated
Tial 38mm wastegate
Tial 50mm BOV
Precision SC61 that needs a rebuild ($400)
Brand new ~4" diameter / 9" K&N filter for turbo

NEED TO GET

Rebuild SC61 - $400
S300V3 & computer - $600
Oil inlet and drain lines - $130
ID1050x Injectors - $400
HD Axles - TBD
Clutch - TBD
Transmission Rebuild? - TBD
3" Exhaust Thermal - TBD
Etc...

GOALS

Probably start with 325-350hp for a while since it's our first turbo car, then build a different motor for 500hp in the future (1-2yrs). Want to be able to drive 2 days per week reliably. Never taken to track, but I do beat on my cars so it needs to be able to take the abuse. Want to run AC for sure and potentially PS if the car we buy has it already.

QUESTIONS

1. Can you hook 500hp on the street with drag radials and BBG?

2. I prefer B18C, but unfortunately many of the BARD cars (which Im after) have B16As which I know have less tq. Will I still be ok with the B16 knowing my goals above, is it a major difference B16 vs B18 or with upping the boost are we good?

3. To handle the 325-350hp will I be good with just eagle rods, ARP headstuds, ID1000s, FPR, Walbro 255?

4. Can you run AC snd PS with VBand connection?

5. How much HP can the InlinePro T3 manifold handle? They dont seem as popular nowadays, but it looked like people were running 400HP back in the day.

This is it for now, Ill post photo of car we eventually buy and our parts once the garage is cleaned up.


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Ok, so a little premature since we dont have the car yet but I have a few Im looking at now and will be buying soon. I do however have a lot of parts that I've bought over the years, and previously had a B18C1 swapped hatch a few yeara ago. We're (me and my son) going to be building either a B16A or B18C1 motor - prefer the B18, but B16A may happen since we're in CA and most of the Bar'd cars have B16s. Photos to come later as my garage is in shambles but here is the list to start from what I can remember (and organize the build):

PARTS WE HAVE:

Intercooler (Spearco core?)
Intercooler piping
InlinePro stainless - Jet hot coated
Tial 38mm wastegate
Tial 50mm BOV
Precision SC61 that needs a rebuild ($400)
Brand new ~4" diameter / 9" K&N filter for turbo

NEED TO GET

Rebuild SC61 - $400
S300V3 & computer - $600
Oil inlet and drain lines - $130
ID1050x Injectors - $400
HD Axles - TBD
Clutch - TBD
Transmission Rebuild? - TBD
3" Exhaust Thermal - TBD
Etc...

GOALS

Probably start with 325-350hp for a while since it's our first turbo car, then build a different motor for 500hp in the future (1-2yrs). Want to be able to drive 2 days per week reliably. Never taken to track, but I do beat on my cars so it needs to be able to take the abuse. Want to run AC for sure and potentially PS if the car we buy has it already.

QUESTIONS

1. Can you hook 500hp on the street with drag radials and BBG?
Yes

2. I prefer B18C, but unfortunately many of the BARD cars (which Im after) have B16As which I know have less tq. Will I still be ok with the B16 knowing my goals above, is it a major difference B16 vs B18 or with upping the boost are we good?
B16 will be fine

3. To handle the 325-350hp will I be good with just eagle rods, ARP headstuds, ID1000s, FPR, Walbro 255?
Don't forget forged pistons; Wiseco, Arias, CP.. etc.. Those rods won't work for stock slugs.

4. Can you run AC snd PS with VBand connection?
Depends on your manifold and how it orients the turbo.

5. How much HP can the InlinePro T3 manifold handle? They dont seem as popular nowadays, but it looked like people were running 400HP back in the day.

Trick question.. Your manifold is not directly affected BY how much horsepower you make but it CAN affect how much you make effectively.

This is it for now, Ill post photo of car we eventually buy and our parts once the garage is cleaned up.
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You might wanna start with a better manifold if 500 is the ultimate goal. There are a few ramhorm manifolds that allow you to keep AC/PS and also give a better powerband for your HP goal.
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Forgot fuel pump and clutch? What fuel will be used?
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1. Can you hook 500hp on the street with drag radials and BBG?
yes

2. I prefer B18C, but unfortunately many of the BARD cars (which Im after) have B16As which I know have less tq. Will I still be ok with the B16 knowing my goals above,...?
yes

4. Can you run AC snd PS with VBand connection?
Typically no, not with a mandrel bend/smooth radius bend coming out of the turbine outlet. The ILP cast manifold is designed to ideally work with T3 5 bolt outlet housings, B compressor cover when paired with a/c.

5. How much HP can the InlinePro T3 manifold handle? They dont seem as popular nowadays, but it looked like people were running 400HP back in the day.
We've done numerous B series apps on cast manifolds/T04B combinations making over 400whp throughout the years...on pump gas.
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Thanks for the responses. In CA, so we're running 91 octane pump. I may just buy a new ramhorn manifold because I feel like Ill want to run a higher HP level later.

As far as fuel pump either the 255 walbro or the next step up. Im willing to pay for future proofing, not interested in doing things twice.

And LOL for whoever changed that title of post hahaha.
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So a long time ago I ran the in-line pro t3 manifold with a Garrett t3t4 60 trim and made 480whp and it was smooth. Biggest problem with the manifold is it required me to cut a good amount of the block webbing. Other than that I did run ac/ps and it was a good street car.
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I had a SC61 in my old setup. Potential to make lots of power but can be laggy on the low RPMs.
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I had a SC61 in my old setup. Potential to make lots of power but can be laggy on the low RPMs.
That's putting it mildly.
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On a B16 it will be a turd.
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On a B16 it will be a turd.
i rember the exact same setup. Positive pressure (being just outside of vacuum) was at over 4200rpms, with full pressure of about 8psi by 6500-7000rpms! It was a horrible.. absolutely horrible to use on a B16
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i rember the exact same setup. Positive pressure (being just outside of vacuum) was at over 4200rpms, with full pressure of about 8psi by 6500-7000rpms! It was a horrible.. absolutely horrible to use on a B16
LoL. I remember this being SUCH a bandwagon turbo back around 2004.
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LoL. I remember this being SUCH a bandwagon turbo back around 2004.
Thanks guys for all the feedback, I bought this turbo used about 4yrs ago and just never got around to using it. I realized it was a little on the large side and would be laggy. Who knows, I may end up selling some of the parts and buying new parts.

Now a lot of the cars Im finding are B16 (that are BARD), however I'd prefer the GSR motor of course. I may end up just throwing in a GSR motor and going through the BAR process from scratch, but I was originally not wanting to deal with the headache. Still car shopping...found a couple hatches that are promising, updates to come.
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LoL. I remember this being SUCH a bandwagon turbo back around 2004.
Those and T3/T4's on a stock D series
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LoL. I remember this being SUCH a bandwagon turbo back around 2004.
They were played out, like Lil' Jon and Eastside Boys' songs on the radio. LOL
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LoL. I remember this being SUCH a bandwagon turbo back around 2004.
I personally ran a SC61 on one of my first sleeved block D series way back when...made 285whp/212tq @ 10psi. I clearly remember going from a 15G to 50 trim (stock block) to SC61 built block...and in hind sight, that was lesson #1 in "power curve/street car" builds.
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There are many new(er) age turbo options that will give you all-round better performance. Even for the eventual 500whp goal you can get something that will have a powerband of 5000 - 9000 rpm without necessarily breaking the bank. A GT3076 (0.63A/R) or BW S252 SX-E will be cost-effective options for 500whp (on good fuel) whilst a GTX3071 Gen 2 will probably be in the sweet-spot of spool vs power on a B16A.

If you do go for a B18C it will obviously have a much better powerband and more torque and power everywhere. Big turbo B16's want and need rpm and that means decent rods, pistons and valvetrain in order to do so reliably.
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