ATI procahrger vs TURBO
09-30-2003, 11:56 PM
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ATI procahrger vs TURBO
boost for boost which will make more power on a b18c1.
the procharger kti is 3500
the rev hard kit is 2700 shipped then hondata for 500 and injectors for 300.
or a custom kit for 3500 total dollars
boost for boost
whats the better solution for daily driving
and to get the most power.
the procharger kti is 3500
the rev hard kit is 2700 shipped then hondata for 500 and injectors for 300.
or a custom kit for 3500 total dollars
boost for boost
whats the better solution for daily driving
and to get the most power.
10-01-2003, 05:24 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
Does the procharger come with hondata and injectors? If not why are you adding it to the revhard kit? Just to let you know this is a stupid question. They are totally different setups.. They will yeild completly different dyno sheets.
10-01-2003, 07:45 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (Overblown-Teg)
how is this a stupid uestion
i know what will happen the turbo should make more power.
the only reason the turbo gets the hondata and injectors is becasue of the cost of the procharger kit.
anyone else
bump up for the day
i know what will happen the turbo should make more power.
the only reason the turbo gets the hondata and injectors is becasue of the cost of the procharger kit.
anyone else
bump up for the day
10-02-2003, 12:44 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
As said before...
With a procharger or vortech you get all of the bad qualities of a supercharger and all of the bad qualities of a turbo rolled into one!
Pay attention to the following:
Main problem with the turbo setup is going to be lag.
The supercharger has the wonderful problem of lag, AND it is belt driven, and you cannot up the boost without switching pulleys.
Procharger/Vortech = turbo on a stick.
Order the Rev Hard kit and the hondata/injectors. Tune and turn the boost up and have some fun!
With a procharger or vortech you get all of the bad qualities of a supercharger and all of the bad qualities of a turbo rolled into one!
Pay attention to the following:
Main problem with the turbo setup is going to be lag.
The supercharger has the wonderful problem of lag, AND it is belt driven, and you cannot up the boost without switching pulleys.
Procharger/Vortech = turbo on a stick.
Order the Rev Hard kit and the hondata/injectors. Tune and turn the boost up and have some fun!
10-02-2003, 12:58 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
centrifugal superchargers suck for high reving honda motors because they tend to produce horsepower in the upper RPM range giving your honda motor a very very narrow power band. turbo chargers build boost based on RPM's and engine load where-as centrifugal superchargers build boost only on RPM's. this is why the turbo will give you a way better power band and why the procharger will give you a sh!tty one.
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10-02-2003, 08:10 PM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (egg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by egg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">centrifugal superchargers suck for high reving honda motors because they tend to produce horsepower in the upper RPM range giving your honda motor a very very narrow power band. turbo chargers build boost based on RPM's and engine load where-as centrifugal superchargers build boost only on RPM's. this is why the turbo will give you a way better power band and why the procharger will give you a sh!tty one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats the type of answer i was looking for
thats the type of answer i was looking for
10-02-2003, 08:26 PM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
on a larger displacement application I would say intercooled ati procharger setup no doubt, but with such a small displacement we have to work with in hondas the parasitic lag and parasitic losses in the supers drive system would make it ness. to push more boost to get the same power level as a properly turbocharged setup.
turbo it.
my 2 cents.
turbo it.
my 2 cents.
10-03-2003, 12:12 PM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (twkdCD595)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by twkdCD595 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on a larger displacement application I would say intercooled ati procharger setup no doubt, but with such a small displacement we have to work with in hondas the parasitic lag and parasitic losses in the supers drive system would make it ness. to push more boost to get the same power level as a properly turbocharged setup.
turbo it.
my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>
in my opinion, there is not a single situation where i would rather run a centrifugal supercharger over a turbocharger regardless of engine displacement. they just plain suck, they give you the downsides of both turbochargers and superchargers, lag and drive loss.
i guess the only plus side of the centrifugal s/c would be for a mustang owner where the kit is readily available and most likely cheaper than a turbo kit.
If you wanted to use a jackson racing s/c on the other hand, its purely a matter of personal preference. is you car for street use only or will it be for street and the strip? instant boost or high end power. but in the case of the positive displacement s/c, the new GT series turbos provide really good boost response too.
turbo it.
my 2 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>
in my opinion, there is not a single situation where i would rather run a centrifugal supercharger over a turbocharger regardless of engine displacement. they just plain suck, they give you the downsides of both turbochargers and superchargers, lag and drive loss.
i guess the only plus side of the centrifugal s/c would be for a mustang owner where the kit is readily available and most likely cheaper than a turbo kit.
If you wanted to use a jackson racing s/c on the other hand, its purely a matter of personal preference. is you car for street use only or will it be for street and the strip? instant boost or high end power. but in the case of the positive displacement s/c, the new GT series turbos provide really good boost response too.
10-03-2003, 02:02 PM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (egg)
Yeah alot of people do not care for them, but I mostly hate the belt slippage and power loss from driving them.
I like whipple, too bad they do not make something for us in their twin screw units.
jacksons seem to have to many problems with heat and rotor clearances (esp. if you start overdriving it). roots type do provide much better responce and what not though.
everything is a delicate balance between what you want, can afford, and what application/ use intended for.
I like whipple, too bad they do not make something for us in their twin screw units.
jacksons seem to have to many problems with heat and rotor clearances (esp. if you start overdriving it). roots type do provide much better responce and what not though.
everything is a delicate balance between what you want, can afford, and what application/ use intended for.
10-10-2003, 12:17 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
well my friend went off the deep end i think he is going to go with a type r motor with the ati procharger kit
vs having a piston rod built b18c1 with hondata and injectors with a decent custom turbo kit. for the same price........
he is convienced that the ati is goig to give him 300whp with bolts ons. on a b18c5 i told him he is on crack
vs having a piston rod built b18c1 with hondata and injectors with a decent custom turbo kit. for the same price........
he is convienced that the ati is goig to give him 300whp with bolts ons. on a b18c5 i told him he is on crack
10-10-2003, 04:25 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowsi00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well my friend went off the deep end i think he is going to go with a type r motor with the ati procharger kit
vs having a piston rod built b18c1 with hondata and injectors with a decent custom turbo kit. for the same price........
he is convienced that the ati is goig to give him 300whp with bolts ons. on a b18c5 i told him he is on crack
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Umm if your friend has the option of going with a built turbocharged gsr motor over a procharged or whatever type r, I think the choice is obvious. You can easily squeeze out over 300whp on the turbo gsr motor, even more since it would be built. Kids these days
vs having a piston rod built b18c1 with hondata and injectors with a decent custom turbo kit. for the same price........
he is convienced that the ati is goig to give him 300whp with bolts ons. on a b18c5 i told him he is on crack
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Umm if your friend has the option of going with a built turbocharged gsr motor over a procharged or whatever type r, I think the choice is obvious. You can easily squeeze out over 300whp on the turbo gsr motor, even more since it would be built. Kids these days
10-31-2003, 10:38 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (slowsi00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slowsi00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">update:
i got my buddy to go with a full race turbo kit and hondata!!!! on a stock gsr motor </TD></TR></TABLE>
Nice stuff
i got my buddy to go with a full race turbo kit and hondata!!!! on a stock gsr motor
</TD></TR></TABLE>Nice stuff
10-31-2003, 11:07 AM
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Re: ATI procahrger vs TURBO (quikB18B)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quikB18B »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Nice stuff </TD></TR></TABLE>
hoping to put down over 300whp on extremely low boost.
Nice stuff
</TD></TR></TABLE>hoping to put down over 300whp on extremely low boost.
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