civic disobedience

My local speed shop is steering me twards this ECU, is anyone in here using it? what have your results been??

it sounds pretty good on paper, It can even run in a sequential mode, and it uses volumetric efficiency based tables. also says you can run injectors at %100 duty cycle, and a lot of other nice features

I just would like to hear from people on H-T that either use, or know about this standalone before I lay out the $$$


[Modified by civic disobedience, 6:21 PM 3/14/2003]

boostaholic

David, turbo si, is using it on this board. I believe his is up and running good on the street now after some problems with the aem ems.

civic disobedience

interesting... I was going to get the AEM EMS from this guy too, but he is not so hot on them, claims he had some problems with them too, that is why he is going to sell the DFI now,

I just want some feedback first... keep the comments coming!!

ekb18c

I'm on dfi gen 7 for over a year now. DFI is alright, I have no complaints about it. Wiring it up was a bitch though.

Next car that I do, I'm going back to speedpro.


[Modified by ekb18c, 4:01 PM 3/14/2003]

SIXTYdashONE

Accel DFI G7 is a pretty good stand alone, It is very user friendly for the average tuner, has windows capabilities (unlike other DFI models), and is very well known by most tuners throughout the states, so finding a good tuner shouldnt be a problem.. Talk to Colin (EKb18c) on this board, he can help you with further questions. Hope this helps

EDIT, look up, He beat me too it...............again......


[Modified by SIXTYdashONE, 12:09 AM 3/15/2003]

civic disobedience

are you running yours in sequential mode?

actually... I have talked via E-mail to Tommy@ RPMNYC before about assembeling my motor, do you guys sell and tune DFI there??

SIXTYdashONE

Yes, they most certainly do..

ekb18c

Yes, we do!

Thanks Ron!

And yes it's on sequantial mode


[Modified by ekb18c, 6:03 PM 3/14/2003]

miller

hey this is off topic but i have mine for sale for $2200 its brand new and also comes with a brand new digital 7 ignition all sencors and harness.

turbo Si

Yeah i'm running the DFI gen 7. Theres pro's and con's to every system. I am much happier with this system over the AEM. As stated above it is very user friendly, and the manuel that comes with the unit is much easier to understand compared to the 500 page manuel you have to download from AEM. Wireing was a bitch, even though I didn't do it, it cost me $$$. The things I like about it is that my car idles and A/C works great, things I could not achieve with AEM. The "Autocal" feature is awsome. By clicking on Autocal, it automatically autounes the fuel table for you to the most effiecient level. That works really well. It also features such as if I upgrade to 720cc injectors from my 550cc injectors, after I enter in the new "lb" it will automatically remap the fuel table for you. You will still need to dyno tune though.
The things I don't like about the system is, first of all the wideband is really expensive, $900.00 ! Mike, DFI Tech, will tell you it is not needed unless your dynotuning, although it still would have been nice to have so you can monitor your AF ratios rather than go by voltage with the 4 wire. Also there are some features that a regular user (me) can't access, such as certain idle functions, fuel and so forth. You have to have a module to access such things and that cost $150.00. So for instance when we were working on getting my car to idle right, I couldn't access certain idle functions so I had to go to my tuner to play with it. I was not aware of that before purchasing it.
So like I said every unit has it's pro's and con's. My tuner specialises in both Speed Pro and DFI. The main reason why I chose DFI was that I got a killer deal, and it was up to date compared to Speed Pro (NOT TO KNOCK IT OR ANYTHING). If you wanna talk with someone about it give Lawrence Connly a call at 281-540-FAST. He acually swapped in the DFI over the Speed Pro last week in his 6 second Camero, and is one of the most knowledgeable guys around when it comes to forced induction.
So there you have it. Good Luck!

turbo Si

Why are you selling it????

civic disobedience

whats the deal with the wideband option?? is it wideband controler, or do you need it just to read the +5V from a different controller, I was planing on using the pro auto devices controller unit, will it just take the voltage out of the controller, or do you need to have the option for it to work?? I know the AEM will just take the +V from the controller, I don't want to have to spend $900. for the DFI option, can anyone shed some light on this??


[Modified by civic disobedience, 8:03 PM 3/15/2003]

SEFIxCivic

told ya ekb18c, that there is different levels of software with the new dfi.

also off topic... i have a motec m4 pro with all options enabled and prewired honda harness for sale. $2k w/ wideband & adv logging. thanks.


[Modified by SEFI8LOxCivic, 1:02 AM 3/16/2003]

miller

the reason im selling the gen 7 dfi is because im running the autronic sm2. i think the autronic sm2 is a better system all around. im not knocking on the dfi at all. i still have customers that use it and my partner (ek9t) uses it in his car.

bambooluv

All I have to say is motec.hehe

turbo Si

Who cares what you have to say !!!

ekb18c

LOL.. There are no different levels for The new DFI software.


this is how it works...

When you first get the dfi kit there are NO different levels of softwares for it. There is one platform, however a Tuner can choose to keep certain "windows" locked so NO ONE has access to them. For instance one can keep the start up map locked so no one can mess with it. One can keep the settings page locked up so no one can mess with it, or better yet, so no one can look at your work. When the tuner "locks" it up, anyone who tries to access it will get a windows promt message stating that you do not have access privilages to this certain screen.

You must have mistaken the password protected screens for different levels of software. I do not know why you insist on stating that there are different levels of the software when in fact there isn't. We tune and install Accel dfi kits left and right. I personally lock some screens so the users wont have access to those screens. I lock up the settings screen because I don't want my customers to mess with the settings such as the firing order for the injectors. Once it's set up there is no need to touch it. Some tuners will give access to the fuel and ignition maps and that's it. This is the case with our customers also. We locked up every single screen except for the fuel and ignition map because there is no need for the user to touch those other screens.

I hope I cleared up this matter for you SEFI8LOxCivic, let me know if you have any other questions.

SEFIxCivic

"You have to have a module to access such things and that cost $150.00"

i visit a message board where there are plenty of people who sell/tune the new accel dfi, and they tell me the same exact thing.

turbo Si

Hmmmmm, that seems to be a good reason. I honestly thought the reason why I don't have access to certain screens is so I would have to always go back to my tuner. I guess I looked at it as a profitable scheme for the tuner.

turbo Si

What message board is it. Leave me a link, I would like to check it out!

ekb18c

Dude,

I'm sorry, I do not wish to argue with you anymore. Whoever is telling you that you must pay $150 for a "module" to have access to those screens is full of ****!!! What is this module they talking about? There is no such thing!!

Question, do you install and tune DFI kits? Because if your answer is no, then you don't know what goes on first hand. Do not believe everythign you read on the internet.


I sell, install and then tune DFI kits.

SEFIxCivic

posted by racetronix who is an authorized accel dfi distributor

"That is a very one-sided perspective of the picture blownvette.

There are only about a dozen screens accessible with the Pro version of Calmap + dongle that are not with the base software. These screens are for VERY advanced parameters that that your average tuner has no business or idea how to adjust. The fact that these parameters are accessible at all is a bonus. The competitors boxes have these parameters fixed in their firmware and can not be changed via a laptop. "

posted by Shane Hill, NMRA Drag Radial 10046, 9.70 at 144mph on Drag Radials'

"The three levels of software caused me great difficulty in tuning my car when it had a Gen 7 on it. The standard level does not have any of the things you need to get the car to idle. Basically, you can set idle speed and that's about it. You don't have the ability to set the iac opening point, or any of the other stuff you need to get a car idling well. At WOT, my car ran like a bat out of hell, but idle and part throttle left a lot to be desired. Could I have paid extra for a more advanced level of sw? Yes. If I'd known. The wonderful guys at Turbo People said......"Oh, no. You don't need that. " BS! You have to at least buy the Sportsmen level sw to have those features available IF YOU DON'T HAVE A GEN 7 TUNER LOCALLY. I agree that the pro level is not needed by anyone but a serious tuner, but it's imperative to buy the sportsmen sw. I'm not too turned on by the password protection either. I was at a race where a friend, who's car had been tuned by Spetter, really needed access to something that spetter had locked him out of. After seeing that, I ordered another FAST unit for my race car and moved the DFI to another car. I was told point blank by the DFI product manager that it had nothing to do with keeping people from blowing their cars up. He said it was to protect the knowledge of their best tuners so that their fuel maps didn't get used by everyone else, as Jack said."

I do not install or tune accel dfi, however, lance ward & craig smith post on this messageboard, and its considered one of the most reputable messageboards when it comes to engine management.


[Modified by SEFI8LOxCivic, 3:15 AM 3/16/2003]

ekb18c

You proved my point exactly!!

A tuner can password protect certain screens so people dont have access to them to either mess with it or to copy it.

If you buy the dfi kit from the Turbo People AKA the Spetter family, Job will lock up most of the screens because he feels that, YOU, as the user have no right to touch these screens.

Oh, forget it! Have a good night.

Do you have first hand expierence with Accel DFI kits or do you just believe everything you read on the internet and then think it's God's words?

Edit- Believe what you want, Have a good night!!




[Modified by ekb18c, 7:19 PM 3/15/2003]

SEFIxCivic

hey im not trying to argue with you, but you seem to be selectively skipping words & sentences in that quote to come up with the conclusion that I actually proved your point.

relax man.

ekb18c

My friend, you have mistaken the password protected screens as levels of the dfi kit.

Try this!! Tell those other guys on the other board that if they don't have access to those other screens such as settings, and idle control. Try to crack the password on the dfi because if they do then ALL of the screens will be available.

Next time try arguing with facts from your experience rather then internet hear-say. I'm telling you from personal experience, you are stating things from other people.

Big difference!!


Edit- Post the url of this other message board, I would like to read this.



[Modified by ekb18c, 7:38 PM 3/15/2003]