99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
01-29-2006, 05:54 PM
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99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
I have a 99 civic ex and its currently turbo'd and iam saving up to get some reall good management for it so i can tune.. i am looking for somthing that will allow me to run for about a month until i get my good management.. but until then i was wondering can anyone ginve me some ideas as to what i can use until then..
All i have now for it is aem fuel rail and adjustable fuel reg..
Any ideas?? thanks
All i have now for it is aem fuel rail and adjustable fuel reg..
Any ideas?? thanks
01-29-2006, 06:01 PM
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
Stay out of boost and use the stock ecu.Save your time and money and do it once.
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
stock ecu!!! are u ******* kiding me!!!! even if you stay out of boost your motor is toast in a week, at least.
pick up greddy e-manage on ebay cheep and then resell it when you get better system.
pick up greddy e-manage on ebay cheep and then resell it when you get better system.
01-29-2006, 08:36 PM
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg racer 877 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock ecu!!! are u ******* kiding me!!!! even if you stay out of boost your motor is toast in a week, at least.
pick up greddy e-manage on ebay cheep and then resell it when you get better system. </TD></TR></TABLE>
How is that? If you aren't boosting, there are no additional fuel demands required and also no need for ignition retard. So how is this going to "toast" your motor?
pick up greddy e-manage on ebay cheep and then resell it when you get better system. </TD></TR></TABLE>
How is that? If you aren't boosting, there are no additional fuel demands required and also no need for ignition retard. So how is this going to "toast" your motor?
01-29-2006, 08:41 PM
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Wow, maybe you should have held off on installing the turbo kit until you had enough for good engine management.
01-30-2006, 11:45 AM
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
when you "stay out of boost" there is still AlOT more air coming into the motor than stock, therefore you need more fuel than the stock ecu can provide, so it will run lean and toast. just cuz you dont press the petal very much doesnt meen the turbo isnt spooling.
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How is that? If you aren't boosting, there are no additional fuel demands required and also no need for ignition retard. So how is this going to "toast" your motor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
im with hybrid on this one.. dont boost the motor.. shift at an easy 2500-3000 u should be fine..
How is that? If you aren't boosting, there are no additional fuel demands required and also no need for ignition retard. So how is this going to "toast" your motor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
im with hybrid on this one.. dont boost the motor.. shift at an easy 2500-3000 u should be fine..
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01-30-2006, 12:01 PM
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg racer 877 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you "stay out of boost" there is still AlOT more air coming into the motor than stock, therefore you need more fuel than the stock ecu can provide, so it will run lean and toast. just cuz you dont press the petal very much doesnt meen the turbo isnt spooling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you only understood what you are arguing, you might have a valid point...
Sure, with a turbo, there is more air coming into the engine at the same given throttle position then without. The turbo will assist in cramming more into the engine, but its still not boosting. So long as you don't see posative manifold pressure, its NOT going to cause any trouble. The ECU has tables and can understand more air. More air = less vac which the map sensor will see and accomodate accordingly. If you don't go into boost, the ECU can and will properly maintain the "stock" amount of fuel and ignition. Is it something I would say is reccomended for a long time? No.. Can it be done with carefull throttle modulation for a short period of time? Certainly.
If you only understood what you are arguing, you might have a valid point...
Sure, with a turbo, there is more air coming into the engine at the same given throttle position then without. The turbo will assist in cramming more into the engine, but its still not boosting. So long as you don't see posative manifold pressure, its NOT going to cause any trouble. The ECU has tables and can understand more air. More air = less vac which the map sensor will see and accomodate accordingly. If you don't go into boost, the ECU can and will properly maintain the "stock" amount of fuel and ignition. Is it something I would say is reccomended for a long time? No.. Can it be done with carefull throttle modulation for a short period of time? Certainly.
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
Just get an FMU and missing link map bypass, at least then you could boost a little, wouldn't go over 6 psi though. 
01-30-2006, 12:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mstolars »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just get an FMU and missing link map bypass, at least then you could boost a little, wouldn't go over 6 psi though. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I wouldn't trust an FMU any farther then I could throw it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I wouldn't trust an FMU any farther then I could throw it.
01-30-2006, 12:38 PM
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teg racer 877 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you "stay out of boost" there is still AlOT more air coming into the motor than stock, therefore you need more fuel than the stock ecu can provide, so it will run lean and toast. just cuz you dont press the petal very much doesnt meen the turbo isnt spooling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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my wideband never showed me running lean when i ran stock ecu and injectors with turbo and no boost
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my wideband never showed me running lean when i ran stock ecu and injectors with turbo and no boost
01-30-2006, 12:49 PM
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by igo4bmx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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my wideband never showed me running lean when i ran stock ecu and injectors with turbo and no boost</TD></TR></TABLE>
And it wont for reasons I already explained..
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my wideband never showed me running lean when i ran stock ecu and injectors with turbo and no boost</TD></TR></TABLE>
And it wont for reasons I already explained..
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by igo4bmx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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my wideband never showed me running lean when i ran stock ecu and injectors with turbo and no boost</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good info here I was not sure about this. Thanks 
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my wideband never showed me running lean when i ran stock ecu and injectors with turbo and no boost</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good info here
I was not sure about this. Thanks
01-30-2006, 12:49 PM
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What do you think they used before other fuel management options were available? FMUs have been proven to work time and time again. Still, save up for the standalone, its definetly worth the wait.
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
Run your engine one the stock ECU and dont boost, just like everyone said. If you want, you can take the spring out of the wastegate and that way you definitely wont be boosting.
Whoever said that there is a need for more fuel than the stock ECU can provide is an idiot. As long as there is no positive pressure, how can the ECU not provide enough fuel? Stock ECU's are capable of handling values of up to 1psi, and certainly up to atmospheric.
Dont even waste your time with an FMU, you will run rich as crap and cake everything up with carbon, not to mention waste gas and get horrible cruising gas mileage.
Whoever said that there is a need for more fuel than the stock ECU can provide is an idiot. As long as there is no positive pressure, how can the ECU not provide enough fuel? Stock ECU's are capable of handling values of up to 1psi, and certainly up to atmospheric.
Dont even waste your time with an FMU, you will run rich as crap and cake everything up with carbon, not to mention waste gas and get horrible cruising gas mileage.
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
an FMU is the only viable solution to this puzzle. Because anything else will cost the min of 200 bucks (afc, e-manage) which already is a good chunk of change towards good fuel management.
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
Thank you all who replied.It was helpfull
I only will be driving it to work and school so i guess i will be ok.. thank you all
I only will be driving it to work and school so i guess i will be ok.. thank you all
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't trust an FMU any farther then I could throw it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thank you
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Re: 99 civic ex what do i use for a temporary management system.That will hold up for about a month
What about doing the dsm hack and use radioshack resistors someone pm''d me and suggested that.. ??? can anyone shed some light on this
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JUST2SPOOL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about doing the dsm hack and use radioshack resistors someone pm''d me and suggested that.. ??? can anyone shed some light on this</TD></TR></TABLE>
Freaking WHAT?
Freaking WHAT?
01-30-2006, 04:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JUST2SPOOL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What about doing the dsm hack and use radioshack resistors someone pm''d me and suggested that.. ??? can anyone shed some light on this</TD></TR></TABLE>
you mean afc hack with dsm injectors
and that sucks and its dangerous
you mean afc hack with dsm injectors
and that sucks and its dangerous
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Tanks iam just going to save for the greddy emanage ultimate
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Why dont you just take the spring out of the wastegate that way you wont boost for sure.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SuperSi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why dont you just take the spring out of the wastegate that way you wont boost for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats not a gaurantee and its still not a stock fuel map with all of that hooked up.
thats not a gaurantee and its still not a stock fuel map with all of that hooked up.
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A very well tuned VAFC will be okay to run.. I have a friend running the OBD!! ECU on his civic and he is tuned with just an AFC APEX and he runs more than 18PSI daily for over 2 1/2 years... His car runs low 12 everyday.