401tuner

okay so ive been into the whole N/A scene for a while now and have been planning on doing an N/A build. but people keep convinsing me that it is a waste of money and in a way it is. so now im planning on going boost.
I have a 98 gsr with 168k that still runs stong with out any leaks or problems. Im trying to put together a set-up that will get me 250-300whp tops. This is my daily driver that i drive back and fourth to work and school so it needs to be reliable. Seeing as though i have so many miles i was planning on getting new rings, arp rod bolts, all new bearings and gaskets ect. Now im just trying to put together a set up that will be good for my power goals. Comments and suggestions from you guys would be great and any help would be greatly appreaciated.

GSROWNSU

i was in the same boat you were...with the same car i might add (ssbp ftw) anyways...i thought i could just throw some new rings in there to be on the safe side and be done with it. You can do it this way but just like i was told...it's better to just do it all right from the start. What i mean by that is you should at least get the cylinders re-bored and get some new pistons along with new rod and main bearings. I am also shooting for 300whp on about 8ish psi and just got my block rebuilt by extreme parts. Here is my setup and i would advise you to do something similar if you want it to be reliable

bored to 81.5mm
fresh hone
je pistons (-1.17 dish)
oem rod bearings
oem main bearings
block and bearings were blueprinted
block was hot-tanked
cometic head gasket
arp head studs
hondata intake manifold gasket

with this setup my new motor runs great even with lower compression from the je pistons it has so much power than it did before! And with this setup i should be able to SAFELY reach 300whp....i know it's prolly more money than you wanna spend i felt the same way at first. But trust me, it's worth it!

401tuner

wow thanks man thats exactley the help i was looking for, and yea i wasent looking into spending redicilous amounts of money. i was looking at $2500 being my budget, but im not sure how everything is going to turn out. How much moeny did you end up spending all together with everything, and does anyone else have any other suggestions on this?

GSROWNSU

well for the motor rebuild from teardown to startup, including parts and labor came to about 1700 bucks...now i know that sounds like a lot because you have to buy everything for a turbo on top of that but it's worth it man. Just having the re-assurance that you can have a 300 whp daily and knowing that it's safe too. I am driving my motor on the stock ecu right now and it's n/a because i am still gathering parts for my turbo kit. It's all up to you but i would definately spend the extra and have a solid setup than a questionable one.

Schister66

you dont need to build it, but it isn't a bad idea. If money is short, boost on stock for a while and build when its necessary. That's what i'm doing....almost 2 years strong at 300+whp

401tuner

yea but im sure you dont have 168k

Schister66

do a compression and leakdown test because mileage doesn't mean excessive wear. You said that it didn't burn oil or anything so what's your concern? I have a buddy who built a turbo D out of his 212k mile 94 coupe....it worked just fine for him

GSROWNSU

he's right mine motor burned a considerable amount of oil and the bearings showed excessive signs of wear..that was my other reason for rebuilding it...if you don't have the money and if your motor passes a leakdown and compression...go for it

almostboostedgsr

I also have a 1998 integra gsr. Im boosting on stock internals. My car is being worked on as i type. It should be done in two weeks. It took me 9months to save up for parts. I spent 4,800 parts just on parts. Now I gotta add about 1,200 to the shop that is installing it. Then another 400 for my dyno tune. Then drive open downpipe to an exhaust shop and spend another 300 for a 3inch exhaust. Im goin to be boostin on 9psi shooting for 270whp.

If you have any questions. Please ask. I been through all the planning stages to buying part by part. It takes alot of time and alot of money.

Next year im doing my motor build.

401tuner

4800 just in parts and your only shoting for 270whp?

Schister66

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lol....if you're going to spend that much at least push the 320whp mark. It doesn't really matter how many miles your engine has as long as it can pass a compression/leakdown test.

401tuner

ran a compression test on my car and it came out 180-185ish across the board so im not to dissapointed with it. But is it high enough to saftly run low boost. And what about the greddy turbo kits, i know people always say build your own set up but for my daily driver i was looking into these and they seem decently priced. Any on have any suggestions on them, the only reason i am looking into them is because i herd they were reliable and thats what im looking for.


Modified by 401tuner at 5:08 PM 8/27/2007

jdm_dc_fan

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almostboostedgsr, let me get this straight, you spent almost 6k and your still on stock internals? sounds like me i spent somewhere in that money range and im only putting down 304whp and im sleeved...hhaahahh
boost by gear and race gas is my next step

0morgan@synapse motorsport

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what did your 1700 build include? not sure where you are from but 1700 dollars isnt a lot for a block build parts and labor teardown to start up.

GSROWNSU

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what did your 1700 build include? not sure where you are from but 1700 dollars isnt a lot for a block build parts and labor teardown to start up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the 1700 included the block being torn down and reassembled in labor, the je pistons, the new rod and main bearings, and the bottom end gasket kit, i forgot to add the cometic head gasket and hondata heatshield gasket...so total about 1850...still not bad. The reason why it was so cheap is the shop just did the block, i did the rest myself i just wasn't comfortable building my own bottom end yet. So the labor i paid for was for blueprinting and the bore/hone.

0morgan@synapse motorsport

if you were going to build the block i would suggest a new water pump, oil pump, arp head studs, timing belt in addition to the basic pistons and rods. the small stuff adds up.

JmurGSR98

Hey, i had a 98 GSR with 165,000 on it before piecing my turbo kit together. I spent $1200(give or take a few dollars) for all my turbo parts. Also spent $400 for a clutch and flywheel package. Did all the work myself and came out with 235hp @ 5psi tuned on uberdata. Car ran like stock all the way until 180,000 when it was stolen.

Parts:
T3 turbo (rebuilt)
Precision intercooler (new)
turbonetics wastegate (used) with 5lbs spring
Greddy RS b.o.v. (new)
drag manifold (used)
dsm 450 injectors (used)
walbro fuel pump (new)
intercooler piping (used)
downpipe (used)
obd-1 ecu tuned on uber

Most of the parts were bought here on H-T. So as long as your motor is running strong, you should be fine, but building the motor is a good plan.

JmurGSR98

I also went ahead and replaced the timing, alternator and a/c belts and waterpump.

Only thing I didn't do was the actual tuning. That was $100 for a street tune and another $150 for a dyno tune. I drove around on a street tune for a couple of months before getting it dyno tuned.

blackeg

one of my friends enlisted me to boost his car for him. it might not be what you are looking for, but we just bought him a peakboost kit, clutch, injectors and a walbro and slapped it all together. his car made 300whp at about 9 psi with no effort at all. took less than an hour on the dyno, and his tq curve is flat between 200 and 210 ftlbs from 4500 to 7500. it has great boost response and pulls up top too.


his car is a 97, 100% bone stock with 140k miles, compression checked yesterday at 210psi

401tuner

yea i ran a compression test the other day and got 180-185 across the board so im hoping thats good for some low boost like no more than 8-10psi.

Schister66

I'm glad the compression test yielded good results, but one thing i will caution you about: do not think in terms of PSI, but rather in terms of horsepower. Different turbos flow different amounts of air...pressure doesn't really affect that.

You would be safe around the 300whp mark...i've been at that point for a while now and my GSR is holding up just fine

401tuner

yea i wasent even planning on going that high, just because i really dont feel like a blown up engine and no way to get to work or school. 270whp sounds good to me.

I did find this kit for sale and was wondering what you guys thought about it and how much more money ud think id have to spend besides the tuning and other parts. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2064069


and this one.. http://www.hondamarketplace.com/zerothread/2022545