kte324

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I have been gathering parts for my 2013 build and I am stuck undecided on a few parts.

Questions:
Which is better: Dual 044 or Single A1000 Fuel Pump?
Can I make this power with ID1000's?

Short Block:
Laskey Built 83mm GSR Pauter Rods & 9.7 CP Pistons
Fluidampr Crank Pulley
Moroso Oil Pan
GE Sandwich Plate

Head & Intake:
B16 Stock Porting
Supertech Springs & Retainers
Ferrea Comp Plus Ex. Valves
Ferrea 6000 In. Vavles
Pro1s
VictorX Intake Manifold
70mm Throttle Body
ARP Head Studs
Gates Racing Timing Belt

FI:
PTE 6766 1.0 a/r T4 Divided Housing
PTE 66mm Wastegate
Tial 50mm Blow-off Valve
Vibrant Intercooler Core 25"x12"x3.5"
3" Piping
Custom Top Mount

Fuel, Ignition, & EMS:
-8an Feed & -6an Return
GE Fuel Rail
Fuelab Regulator
Hondata s300v2
Hondata CPR

wantboost

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What fuel will you be using? I have a new a1000 but don't think they are e85 compatible

ekcoupeh22

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A1000 can handle ethanol had it on my car last year for that range I think the a1000 is ok but I would go with Bosch I don't think 1000's would be big enough

wantboost

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They flow enough for 1000hp on gasoline... hence the title. Don't know what the power limit on e85 is though

CDecker0218

Your set up looks good and it will get you there. I would get the ID2000's because the id1000s are known to be good for right at 700whp. For the fuel system both will work but I like the dual bosch 044s with either a sumped or surge tank. Also, if your trying for 750whp it can be done on a 62mm. Mainly the 6265 or the 6266 but wont see much more then 800whp if your looking for that power level. Good luck

chialpha2006

may need to look into a bigger injector man, idk much about the ID1000 from personal experience, but we tapped out my precision 1200s (88% duty cycle) at 660 hp... I know every setup is different but thats just what I have experienced. hope it helps and good luck with your build.

CRISxMOB

what fuel do you plan on using exactly? you plan on using only single waste gate on a divided housing turbo? as far as fuel pump wise im personally running the aeromotive eliminator but if i could go back id use dual bosch044. life wise is tested to last longer.

h2.4

dual bosch pumps, 8 id1000's. wait, you're on hondata. 8 id1000's on standalone.

LightningTeg

Just get 2000's. You'll be upping the fuel pressure big time to get those injectors to flow enough and that'll make your pump work alot harder.

kte324

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Fuel will be C16

I had Dual 044 on my last setup, just wanted to try something different. Guess I will use the Bosch.

As far as injectors, I will use FIC2150.

h2.4

staged injection with 8 1000's and a standalone. There was a lot of talk of using e85 for fuel. But 2000's would be cheaper and he can stay with s300.

wantboost

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8 1000s is pointless... just get 2000s

4cylfiend

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This build list looks great, with a few exceptions-

- As mentioned before, a 6266 will get you the power you are wanting and then some. The 6766 will be pretty lazy and may hurt you depending on how high you are revving the car and what its purpose is.

-I would definitely recommend going with the ID2000's (or FIC2150's if you prefer) because there is no reason to get the 1000's, put them on the edge, and have to re-buy an injector if you change fuel, or want more power.

- If you are running external pumps, I would definitely recommend having the tank or cell sumped, if it already isnt. The last thing you want is fuel starvation on hard braking.

-I know that running (2) 044's is kind of a staple that alot of guys run but I'm not a big fan of a dual pump setup. You are risking alot if one of the pump fails and you run lean. The A1000 is a great pump but they don't like running a very high fuel pressure. I ran the A1000 and ran out of pump at 730whp on E85 revving to 8700 on 26lbs of boost with a 6266.

I ended up buying a Magnafuel #4303 (Pro-Tuner 750) pump. It would be perfect for your setup since you are running a -8 feed. Also, there are guys out there running these pumps and making 950+ on ethanol and they very affordable (under $500).



Here is a thread I started about the pump. I wanted to get some information about it before I bought it.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/drag-racing-36/fuel-pump-questions-magnafuel-4303-a-3082525/

Hope this helps!

wantboost

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Yea if its a straight track car dual pumps could be a problem... like he stated if one fails you have trouble... unless you implement some sort of fail safe system where the ecu monitors fuel pressure and if it drops below a certain psi then the motor cuts timing and boost to try an protect it... although I don't think that would work on an s300.

And the 6766 would be noticeably laggier than the 6266. Based on the build and power level I'm assuming this is a purpose built drag car... depending on gearing, tire size, max rpm and shifting rpm, the 6266 would be a better option to keep you in the power band between shifts and also minimize pressure drop between shifts.

And as stated above for those pumps to really work as intended and to minimize starvation you need to sump what I will assume is a stock tank.. as the a1000 and magna fuel have to be gravity fed, they can't self prime and pull fuel up out of the tank- plus the a1000 and magna fuel are really too big to be mounted anywhere but around the back/sides of the fuel tank... you won't be able to fit either of those between the rails under the car

SovXietday

I'll be using the Magnafuel pump for my build as well. It's a really nice fuel pump.

ThE HeLLRaZoR

That is probably Rated for N/A It won't make 1000hp on F/I were you need a higher BSFC.

I second the MagnaFuel 4302 or 4303. I'm using the MagnaFuel-4302 and LOVE it!

Highly recommend ID2000. They were the BEST money I spent on my Build...

Hope you have a Twin Disc/Wheels/Tires/Suspension etc etc, in mind and be prepared to DESTROY your Transmission/Axles in a Hurry... You'll also want a Cage/Safety Gear, unless it's primarily a Street Car.
Your Quality of parts, you listed looks great IMO. You'll need ALOT more stuff then what you've listed, be prepared to Spend more then you think.

kte324

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The car is a full drag car. Chromoly cage, kirkey seats, aluminum dash, etc.

I picked the 6766 to have room to grow with my hp level.

I ordered the MagnaFuel 4303. I had thought about MagnaFuel originally, but I haven't heard much about them and I didn't do a search. I knew Aeromotive had some issues, but didn't know if that had been resolved or user error. I have used 044 before so that was my first choice, but I wanted to run a single big pump, instead of two

4cylfiend

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Most of the time (not all of the time) when people have issues with the A1000 from user error or negligence. If its a street car, its recommended that you run a pump controller to control the voltage and speed of the pump because of the low duty cycle. I ran the pump controller and never had any issues. I also ran it without the controller and it never once got hot while driving on the street. Running ethanol helped that since it is much cooler than gas.

You will like the 4303 for sure. Btw- when you get it, make sure you dont spill the oil that comes in the pump on yourself. That **** is pungent and I cant get the smell out of my shoes

kte324

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For the ones using the 4303, how are y'all mounting the pump? I had the T1 hanger for the 044 before and mounted them on the frame rail where the rear bumper support is bolted.

I plan on using both outputs on the fuel cell with -8an lines, then y into the pre filter, pump, then post filter. I bought two pre filters already since I planned on using two pumps. Should I put two filters before the y or just one after the y?

4cylfiend

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I would just plumb one filter to the end of the pump and have your Y plumbed into the fiter if you have the space. That way you can use both outlets and run them directly into the Y without having to have additional fittings.

Heres how I mounted mine. My cell was sitting in the spare tire location so this was ideal for me.. May not be a good location for something in the stock location.

kte324

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I looked at your build. I have a rci 5 gallon cell in the same position. I really can't tell how the pump is secured in your picture.

4cylfiend

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The pump comes with its own mounting bracket with 4 holes in it. All I did was mocked the pump up where I wanted it, then removed the pump from the mounting bracket and drilled 4 holes into the side of the spare tire well and used bolts to fasten it into place. Once the bracket is secure, you can mount the pump to the bracket and you are done.

artie89

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after talking to you 4cylfiend i did some research last night and where you have your fuel pump mount will be fine with a sump tank in the stock location

artie89

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i know its not a honda because we are alittle new to using this pump but here is a turbo buick i find to back up my research this buick made 900hp with e85 on the magnafuel 4303 fuel pump with a -8 feed and -6 return so us mounting the fuel pump on the spare tire location we should not have no problems

4cylfiend

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Ya I figured it would be if I just ran a line back from the sump to the pump. I'm really going to look into welding a bracket onto the side or back of the FCS cell if I have room. That would keep everything nice and tidy.

Crazy how they have that pump plumbed. But it looks like it works fine!