50 trim or 57 trim
07-23-2007, 07:13 AM
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50 trim would work nicely for the power goal and provide good power under the curve.
those who say a 50 trim is too small for a 2.3... remember these motors only turn just a tad over 6000 rpm and his power goal does not look like he is trying to throw down big numbers that would require something larger.
those who say a 50 trim is too small for a 2.3... remember these motors only turn just a tad over 6000 rpm and his power goal does not look like he is trying to throw down big numbers that would require something larger.
07-23-2007, 07:41 AM
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cool....well i ordered a 57 trim...hope it works out for me..was torn between the two, people were going back and forth 50-57 so i just got it....
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07-23-2007, 08:03 AM
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ppl have always been deciding between the 50 and 57 trim....here is a quote from a reputable turbo shop, i ran this question by em when asked which one THEY would pick for my d16y8 sohc motor....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People have been trying to decide if a 50 trim or 57 trim is better for a
long time. Here would be our choice for your specific application. We
would actually choose the 50 trim, not because of spool-up differences.
The things that affect spool-up are the .AR ratio of the turbine housing,
the size of the turbine wheel on the exhaust side, and the overall weight
of the rotating mass (meaning the compressor wheel, turbine shaft/wheel
assembly). If you have two turbo exactly the same other than one is 50
trim and one is 57 trim, the only thing that would affect spool-up between
the two turbos would be the minute weight difference between the 50 and 57
trim wheels. There is a 1/10th of an ounce difference between the two
wheels (the 50trim weighs 3.6oz and the 57 is 3.7oz), so as you can see,
there really wouldn't be much of a difference as far as spool-up time
between the two turbos with everything else being the same.
As far as the flow of the compressor wheels, going by our experience and
other charts, the T04E 50 trim wheel fits right in the horsepower range
that you are looking to achieve for your engine. It actually shows the 50
trim wheel being the wheel of choice for 300-400hp on your engine size.
So, the 50 trim would definitely be what we would choose. As far as price,
the 50 trim wheels are a little more expensive than the 57 trim wheels.
We hope this helps clear this up a little for you. There is a lot of
misinformation out there regarding this, and there can be other variables,
but we are going over the basics. Let us know what you decide to do or if
you have any other questions. Thanks,
</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People have been trying to decide if a 50 trim or 57 trim is better for a
long time. Here would be our choice for your specific application. We
would actually choose the 50 trim, not because of spool-up differences.
The things that affect spool-up are the .AR ratio of the turbine housing,
the size of the turbine wheel on the exhaust side, and the overall weight
of the rotating mass (meaning the compressor wheel, turbine shaft/wheel
assembly). If you have two turbo exactly the same other than one is 50
trim and one is 57 trim, the only thing that would affect spool-up between
the two turbos would be the minute weight difference between the 50 and 57
trim wheels. There is a 1/10th of an ounce difference between the two
wheels (the 50trim weighs 3.6oz and the 57 is 3.7oz), so as you can see,
there really wouldn't be much of a difference as far as spool-up time
between the two turbos with everything else being the same.
As far as the flow of the compressor wheels, going by our experience and
other charts, the T04E 50 trim wheel fits right in the horsepower range
that you are looking to achieve for your engine. It actually shows the 50
trim wheel being the wheel of choice for 300-400hp on your engine size.
So, the 50 trim would definitely be what we would choose. As far as price,
the 50 trim wheels are a little more expensive than the 57 trim wheels.
We hope this helps clear this up a little for you. There is a lot of
misinformation out there regarding this, and there can be other variables,
but we are going over the basics. Let us know what you decide to do or if
you have any other questions. Thanks,
</TD></TR></TABLE>
07-23-2007, 08:36 AM
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I have the 57trim on my Dseries, love it. IMO, I don't think you're going to notice a difference between the two and both of them are plenty for your power goals.
07-23-2007, 10:42 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1cpu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bone stock f23a1 around 280 hp</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you talking 280WHP or 280 hp to the crank. The GT3251 and the T3/T04E 50 trim with stage III compressor wheel will work with your 2258cc displacement and characteristics.
Edit. exhaust wheel.
Modified by TheShodan at 11:52 AM 7/23/2007
Are you talking 280WHP or 280 hp to the crank. The GT3251 and the T3/T04E 50 trim with stage III compressor wheel will work with your 2258cc displacement and characteristics.
Edit. exhaust wheel.
Modified by TheShodan at 11:52 AM 7/23/2007
07-23-2007, 10:49 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you talking 280WHP or 280 hp to the crank. The GT3251 and the T3/T04E 50 trim with stage III compressor wheel will work with your 2258cc displacement and characteristics</TD></TR></TABLE>
Jesus Christ, has anyone tried harder to look like they have a clue, but simply are full of ****? Again, Jesus Christ.
Are you talking 280WHP or 280 hp to the crank. The GT3251 and the T3/T04E 50 trim with stage III compressor wheel will work with your 2258cc displacement and characteristics</TD></TR></TABLE>
Jesus Christ, has anyone tried harder to look like they have a clue, but simply are full of ****? Again, Jesus Christ.
07-23-2007, 10:55 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Jesus Christ, has anyone tried harder to look like they have a clue, but simply are full of ****? Again, Jesus Christ.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Calm down, sir. simple typo to mean EXHAUST WHEEL. You're still on that kick to worry about others than yourself it seems once again.. The original poster now has some correct information, and possibly made his choice. Please don't try to go on a tangent for your own personal emo feelings. If you have additional FURTHER information for the OP than do that, otherwise, why comment any further?
Modified by TheShodan at 12:10 PM 7/23/2007
Jesus Christ, has anyone tried harder to look like they have a clue, but simply are full of ****? Again, Jesus Christ.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Calm down, sir. simple typo to mean EXHAUST WHEEL. You're still on that kick to worry about others than yourself it seems once again.. The original poster now has some correct information, and possibly made his choice. Please don't try to go on a tangent for your own personal emo feelings. If you have additional FURTHER information for the OP than do that, otherwise, why comment any further?
Modified by TheShodan at 12:10 PM 7/23/2007
07-23-2007, 11:01 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Jesus Christ, has anyone tried harder to look like they have a clue, but simply are full of ****? Again, Jesus Christ.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and you are?
Jesus Christ, has anyone tried harder to look like they have a clue, but simply are full of ****? Again, Jesus Christ.</TD></TR></TABLE>
and you are?
07-23-2007, 11:24 AM
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My suggestion would be to buy a 60 trim T3 or a 50 trim t3/t04e with a stage 1 turbine wheel. If he wants that little power out of a car that makes most of its torque at 4000ish rpm, he should buy a turbo that does that. 60 trim would be very happy there, despite taking a few extra lbs of boost to take care of the job. Spend a couple extra bucks on a better intercooler and everything should be just fine. Fat midrange = lots of fun. Especially in a heavy Accord. What can I say, I like smaller turbos that provide fat power bands and achieve positive pressure at part throttle. Cars that are drivable and controllable on the street are fun. Waiting for power and once it comes it makes your tires spin blows.
Tial, again, I'm just an ******* that loves busting *****.
Tial, again, I'm just an ******* that loves busting *****.
07-23-2007, 05:59 PM
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you will be fine with a .63 a/r 57 trim... it will spool nicely on the 2.3 and have good power under the curve. you will also have to room to grow over your goal if desired at a later point in time. I suggested the 50 trim because it would be an equally good choice for your stated goals and is a tad bit cheaper.
07-23-2007, 06:39 PM
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yeah the 57 trim IMO will be just fine for your setup, that dsm guy is a tard, alot of us run 57 trims on sohc's d16's im sure itll be even better as far as spoon goes on your f series. good luck , let us know how it turns out.
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some say 300 some say up to 450 it will be good enough for me only gonna be running about 10 lbs i dont need to squeeze every last drop of power out of my engine
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