mrx

Hallo,

today i made my dyno run with my new project car.

setup is:

Stock B16A1 (10:1 CR)
T3/T4 Turbo @ 8psi
60mm exhaust system, racing cat
standalone ecu with 0,75°/psi retard... running a bit rich 12:1 at full boost
made 236 WHP

what do you think about this?

i think it has some potential when i tune the ignition map a bit and flat the AF ratio (its not as smooth as it could be) for the first try i think it is not too bad or?!

sorry that i have no dyno graph...

Greets
Malte.

dennis

what stand alone ecu are you using?

mrx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dennis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what stand alone ecu are you using?</TD></TR></TABLE>

it is a self developed system that tells the stock ecu to run with boost. Working with an interface box like the old hondata system. i have some small problems with the closed loop mode but i hope that i have fixed it today (i will see tomorrow when i drive to work)

i call it standalone because i can make nearly everything a standalone can do... my interface box also has the ability to drive an 5th injector for fuel, nos or water injection but at the moment it is not used because my injectors are big enough.

Greets
Malte.

Mr. Softee

a.) it's not a stand alone.
b.) see crome, uberdata, turboedit, etc.

espanol

sounds like a pretty weak set-up if you only made 230 on 8 psi.you should be seeing closer to 300 w/ a b16a and 8 psi.what size injectors are big enough?

Mario.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by espanol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like a pretty weak set-up if you only made 230 on 8 psi.you should be seeing closer to 300 w/ a b16a and 8 psi.what size injectors are big enough? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. Post up the dyno.

RobbieG35

You have just an ECU, no injectors, fuel pump etc?

mrx

Ok, its not a standalone like Motec and co thats right, but what can a Motec ECU do what i can't? its word playing but the result is nearly the same. My solution is a bit more then crome and uberdata... its a bit more then changing only fuel and ign maps.

sorry forgot to post: fuel pump and bigger injectors are also installed... running at 65-70% DC at the moment.

sure as i wrote the setup is not tuned perfectly so i think it is possible to make 20-30 HP more with the corrected AF Ratio and a bit chenging the ign map.

Greets
Malte.

RobbieG35

It should definately make more power than that on 8lbs. What are the specs on your turbo?

4-banging

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridHatch88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It should definately make more power than that on 8lbs. What are the specs on your turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I made 234 on 6psi but running FAT rich...10.9:1. On a b16a2.

boosted92

Last I checked 12:1 on a street turbo car was lean, not rich.

mrx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridHatch88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It should definately make more power than that on 8lbs. What are the specs on your turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its a Garret T3/T4 ... thats all details i have about this thing.

i was searching a bit in the forum and i have found some posts from other people with B16 @ 8psi and there are no much difference in WHP levels then my 236 WHP... i found noone making nearly 300 WHP - why?

if the setup runs better next days i will tune the maps and play with the ignition and then we will see if there are a few HPs left ;-)

why are you think that it is possible to push ~300 WHP with 8psi? what makes this power? Fuel&Ign Management?, Exhaust?, Turbo?, or what?

Greets
Malte.

4-banging

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
why are you think that it is possible to push ~300 WHP with 8psi? what makes this power? Fuel&Ign Management?, Exhaust?, Turbo?, or what?

Greets
Malte.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it would be possible with 116 race gas, forged internals, no a/c, no p/s and a huge turbo but not a stock b16. correct me if I'm wrong though, please
shoot, I couldn't do it at 11psi with stock motor

dennis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Last I checked 12:1 on a street turbo car was lean, not rich.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't call 12:1 lean by any means...

TurboJesse

numbers seem average for 8psi on a stock b16a.

m R g S r

Remember, the turbo is probally not that big, and he's using a 60mm exhaust. Those numbers sound fine for your setup. What size injectors? They are probally small, considering 70% D.C. @ 236whp.

mrx

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Remember, the turbo is probally not that big, and he's using a 60mm exhaust. Those numbers sound fine for your setup. What size injectors? They are probally small, considering 70% D.C. @ 236whp. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Injectors are at the moment something about 300ccm... sure they are nearly on thair limit but it works for my setup because at the moment i have no plans for more boost and in worst case i have a EIC as backup it i ran into DC problems.

Thanks
Malte.

m R g S r

Thats cool, I'm sure it feels fast. My turbo setup was probally only making that much power, and it felt pretty fast to me.

kleefton

Those numbers are good when compared to the average. Don't listen to the haters. It's not like you have a mammoth turbo in there. Any t3/t04e fed stock bore b16 isn't going to make much more power than that at only 8psi if tuned not to blow up.

Some people are just so ignorant.

Finest

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleefton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those numbers are good when compared to the average. Don't listen to the haters. It's not like you have a mammoth turbo in there. Any t3/t04e fed stock bore b16 isn't going to make much more power than that at only 8psi if tuned not to blow up.

Some people are just so ignorant. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Honda-Tech: Where if you don't make 400+whp @ 2.56lbs of boost, you're not a TUNER! UBERDATA/CROME/PRECISION ROOLS! And I only spent $127.83 on my entire setup! BOOYA!



Your #'s are average for your mods. That's all that matters.

MachAF

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dennis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I wouldn't call 12:1 lean by any means...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Finest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Honda-Tech: Where if you don't make 400+whp @ 2.56lbs of boost, you're not a TUNER! UBERDATA/CROME/PRECISION ROOLS! And I only spent $127.83 on my entire setup! BOOYA!



Your #'s are average for your mods. That's all that matters. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I couldn't have said it better myself!

HXMan

Nice job.

People need to STOP ******* HATING.

Damn, He developed his OWN uberdata/hondata type ECU and people are saying oh, you should make more power for that boost level.



Id like to see the people talking him down build their own engine management system, and then see how much power they make.

raene

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HXMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Id like to see the people talking him down build their own engine management system, and then see how much power they make. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn right... half the people saying that have probably never DASMed a bin to look at the code and see what it really looks like, NVM hacking it

I can only hope I get those #s when I finally go turbo... good job

markaria

Mag00n

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by espanol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like a pretty weak set-up if you only made 230 on 8 psi.you should be seeing closer to 300 w/ a b16a and 8 psi.what size injectors are big enough? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope this a joke...300Whp on 8psi? I don't know many people making that on 10psi on a GSR. Not everyone uses monster turbos for the street.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mpir3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">numbers seem average for 8psi on a stock b16a.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agree 100%