redzcstandardhatch

there is a reason i bought a fluidampr...

two blocks worth of torn up main bearings within 1000 miles sucked.

it seems that only boosted engines seem to dislike tiny or undampened pulleys.

BOATLOADS of NA guys run the bisimoto pulley, or the UR one.

it also helps if you've got AC and powersteering..

UK Accord

Latest dyno graph and figures.

Gonna switch engine managment very soon probably gonna go with Crome.

@ 7 psi 209 bhp & 215lbft Torque
@11psi 244bhp & 245 lbft Torque.

Build:

Wiseco 8.8:1 Forged Pistons
CAT Power Super H Beam Forged Rods
Decompression Plate 1.5mm
ARP Headstuds
Turbonetics T3/T4 Turbo V trim stage 2 .48 51 Lbs/min
Turbonetics Evolution wastegate
Turbonetics Raptor BOV
Apexi Power Intake
Treadstone cast manifold
Treadstone TR8 intercooler
Treadstone 2.5" Polished aluminum pipe kit
Treadstone stainless downpipe kit
Treadstone complete oil kit
HRC Racing 255lph Uprated Fuel Pump
HRC Fuel Pressure Regulator
AEM Tru Boost Contoller
Apexi Turbo Timer
359cc Injectors
Dastek Unichip
Formula Power 10mm Multi Core Blue Ignition Leads
Iridium Spark Plugs
Longlife Custom Cat Back S/S Exhaust
Topgear Sports Cat 200 Cell





Modified by UK Accord at 11:41 AM 1/9/2008

95greenlude

....i know this is the turbo thread,

just thought i'd let you guys in on my project motor

H23 head
F22 block
Get it running

Future
Spare F22 block
Arias 10.5:1 pistons
E85

p.s. i need a F22a1 block (in running condition) if anyone has one...lmk!

supergenius

T%urn the boost up on that bitch!!! **** stock blocks are doing better than that!!!


LOL....

UK Accord

Once I sort out the engine management I may turn the boost up some more.

Stock blocks may well being pushing more HP then mine but I'm happy as I'm

not worrying everytime I floor it that somethings gonna go booooom lol

kawgomoo

hey guys, was wondering if anyone had some turbo sizing expertise to share.

stock block f22, would like to make somewhere near 300whp in the 12-15psi range. anyone have any input on what trim turbo would be good for this motor?

redzcstandardhatch

a decent sized t3/t4 would most likely get you there..

kawgomoo

well i know that much just wondering what a decent size is. i dont know much about turbo trim selection. i see .50 cold side, .48 hot then they say its a 57 trim turbo.. i thought the a/r of the compressor side was the "trim"

so i guess whats the difference between a/r and the trim of the wheel on the compressor?

deeweezy187

has any of you guys bought them rebuilt dsm injectors from ebay? If not do you guys know any places them sell them? Like these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...7.m29

teamlegacy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deeweezy187 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has any of you guys bought them rebuilt dsm injectors from ebay? If not do you guys know any places them sell them? Like these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...7.m29</TD></TR></TABLE>

Search around CB7Tuner.com or even here for a set of DSM blue or black top injectors. Pretty easy to find, I think I threw a set away a few months ago.

twkdCD595

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kawgomoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i know that much just wondering what a decent size is. i dont know much about turbo trim selection. i see .50 cold side, .48 hot then they say its a 57 trim turbo.. i thought the a/r of the compressor side was the "trim"

so i guess whats the difference between a/r and the trim of the wheel on the compressor?</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/....html

here is a good resource for turbo basics.

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/....html

this section can answer your questions about trim and a/r.

as for you turbo choice... my suggestions would depend on your goals, future plans, budget, etc.

kawgomoo

yeah i read those garret articales last night.... lol they start getting pretty deep. my poor little brain was swimming after all that. i think i will re read them tonight and try and plot my points on some compressor maps.

i want it to come on boost as quick as possible, its a stop light to stop light car. no real track use or anything. just something fun. im going to build a tubular mani for it. im a fabricator by trade so all the building aspect is pretty easy.

the thing i keep getting stuck on is the various ways to achieve 57 trim.. what major/minor combo to run to get there... since it seems not all 57 trim turbos are created equal.

Andryzzle

anybody had experience with this upgrade from blaastperformance.com?

http://blaastperformance.com/i...grade

from what i hear the company itself is pretty reputable for rebuilds. anybody know differently?

deeweezy187

Do you guys think with my setup i plan on running a few pages back that i can make it to 280 whp on 10psi and 300 at 12-13 psi running fuel injectors off the evo?


Modified by deeweezy187 at 6:56 PM 1/15/2008

supergenius

300 WHP for 450s is pushing it even with a pump... What turbo are you using???

280 at 10 psi??? better than a t3/04e 57???

I hope so or i think not.... not at 10. Not even at 12.

kawgomoo

turbo should be no problem... you are going to need larger injectors. i would get 750's. that turbo is capable of alot of power... it did come off a large displacement inline 6 afterall.

i think you are going to have alot of lag for a turbo you only want 10 lbs out of. seems like you could get better performance for your application with a smaller turbo that came on sooner.

twkdCD595

evo injectors are like 560cc... so I dont see any problem making 280-300 whp on them. as for the boost pressure you plan to make that kind of power at, it would all depend on your turbo choice?

I made 335whp running out of injector with black top 450cc dsms... that was pushing the limits pretty heavily. turbo was a t3/ 60-1 garrett.

oem_certified_accord

this is the turbo i'm looking at :







Brand new Garrett T3 turbocharger, good for 360HP. Very quick spooling turbo for 1.6 to 2.0 liter motors. Perfect for Honda B and D series, H23, F22 and 420a motors. We are offering this turbo as a cheaper alternative for those not wanting the price tag of a Turbonetics turbo. Most street driven vehicles that just want to run low to medium boost, and have very good spool up and midrange, this turbo is for you. We can substitute this turbo in any of our turbo kits for substantially cheaper

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with that being said i wanted to know what psi you and b were running at when yall hit the 300+ range. and were your blocks BONE stock or slightly modded (arp's / cams) .. small ****

i'm truly only looking for 200+hp but i won't complain if i hit the 250+ - 300whp range.

this is on the jdm f22b non vtec sohc btw.

oem

twkdCD595

I was a BONE stock f22b1 from valve cover to pan and everything in between. basically just a custom turbo kit, hondata/ p28, and dsm 450cc injector/ walbro 255hp pump... and a slipping clutch.

I was at 14-15ish psi for my numbers (stop'd cause the injectors were max'd)... t3 .63 a/r hotside 60-1 garrett turbo, nothing too crazy.

supergenius

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by twkdCD595 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">evo injectors are like 560cc... so I dont see any problem making 280-300 whp on them. as for the boost pressure you plan to make that kind of power at, it would all depend on your turbo choice?

I made 335whp running out of injector with black top 450cc dsms... that was pushing the limits pretty heavily. turbo was a t3/ 60-1 garrett.</TD></TR></TABLE>


ahhh ya 560s good. I didnt feel like going back more than the three pages i did looking for dudes setup. What turbo is he planning on using???? TOOK ME 15 PSI on the 57 trim to get to 300. On maxed 450s. LOL....

boosted k20

thats a 2002 accord i tuned. stock motor on 8lbs. injectors were maxed out! 440cc suck

twkdCD595

well he said something about evo injectors in his last post, thats what the 560 numbers are based on but he could have said dsm 45cc back a few pages (I did not look honestly either).

deeweezy187

I am going to be running a holset h1c and i was going to use the evo injectors because the are 560cc and the regular dsms are 450. I do plan on running a fuel pump also.

NeKe1point0

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deeweezy187 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has any of you guys bought them rebuilt dsm injectors from ebay? If not do you guys know any places them sell them? Like these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...7.m29</TD></TR></TABLE>

i bought a set from that seller. no complaints at all with the transaction. came fast and they were as good as new when recvd. i thought for sure there would be some evidence of their previous life. suprisingly there was no visable previous damage etc. i give him

the only disappointing part about the 450s is the limitation of the 3 bill mark

UK Accord

Finally got my car mapped with Crome and changed the injectors to Lucas 440cc.

New Figures:

@7.5 psi 250 bhp Flywheel (208hp@Wheels) Torque 246lbft Flywheel (205 lbft@Wheels)
@11.4 psi 285 bhp Flywheel (237hp@Wheels) Torque 280bft Flywheel (233 lbft@Wheels)