raphael

i was having a discussion with my instructor about the powerful quater mile. hes an old timer so hes all about the dumbmestic cars. long story short he doesnt believe that a street honda can run in the 10's all motor with less than 300hp on slicks. i tried to convince him that there are street hondas than can run 12's all motor with barely 200whp and drive it home. he says mathematically its impossible. does anyone have any proof of a 10's all motor street legal honda?

92redhatch

300whp street 10 second car. Never seen one. It can be done but i dont think anyone is driving around on a gutted, fiber glass body parts, very high conpression car that needs race gas to drive properly.

ComeOnKip

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">10 second all motor street car possible?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Absolutely not.

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edit: before i get burned up by the all-motor pundits... it is possible... but there aren't many RACE all motor hondas in the 10s, let alone anything that could pass for a street car. And just cause you can drive it on the street doesn't make it a street car. Theres a door slamming LS1 powered trans am in florida that runs 7s and TECHNICALLY can be called a street car.... but i ain't goin to get groceries in it.

policyvote

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are street hondas than can run 12's all motor with barely 200whp and drive it home</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well dude, it's the platform. A somewhat track-prepped ED/EF putting down 200 to the wheels on drag radials might run 12s, but if you doubled the power on tap I think you'd just run louder 12s, LOL. Getting power to the ground in a FF shitbox is a lot harder than in a RWD sports car.

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D16Cowboy

Your fastest all motor option will probably be a K series, high compression with water/methanol injection (for detonation threshold and to play with the timing a bit) with serious tuning. That i-vtec **** is raw, but I've never actually seen one get tuned (i've seen em tuned but not getting tuned).

Next best bet is the type R head... B18 or B20 block (b18 pref sleeved and overbored to 2.0L).

Individual throttle bodies are not good for the street. That's drag strip only. Driving with ITB's would be a serious pain in the ***.

10 seconds, NO WAY... 700 horsepower will barely cut 9.5's most of the time in the 1/4th. That's with serious boost. All motor can just dream about it.

All motor cars that do 13's are cookin.

BOOSTEd2

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16Cowboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your fastest all motor option will probably be a K series, high compression with water/methanol injection (for detonation threshold and to play with the timing a bit) with serious tuning. That i-vtec **** is raw, but I've never actually seen one get tuned (i've seen em tuned but not getting tuned).

Next best bet is the type R head... B18 or B20 block (b18 pref sleeved and overbored to 2.0L).

Individual throttle bodies are not good for the street. That's drag strip only. Driving with ITB's would be a serious pain in the ***.

10 seconds, NO WAY... 700 horsepower will barely cut 9.5's most of the time in the 1/4th. That's with serious boost. All motor can just dream about it.

All motor cars that do 13's are cookin.</TD></TR></TABLE>

there are 300+ hp all motor race cars in the 9's. only reason those 700hp guys are cutting ONLY 9.5's is cause they have to deal with **** that all motor guys dont have to deal with. like boost lag from their big *** turbos.

NathanielH

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16Cowboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your fastest all motor option will probably be a K series, high compression with water/methanol injection (for detonation threshold and to play with the timing a bit) with serious tuning. That i-vtec **** is raw, but I've never actually seen one get tuned (i've seen em tuned but not getting tuned).

Next best bet is the type R head... B18 or B20 block (b18 pref sleeved and overbored to 2.0L).

Individual throttle bodies are not good for the street. That's drag strip only. Driving with ITB's would be a serious pain in the ***.

10 seconds, NO WAY... 700 horsepower will barely cut 9.5's most of the time in the 1/4th. That's with serious boost. All motor can just dream about it.

All motor cars that do 13's are cookin.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Did i miss the part where the op asked for suggestions for a personal set up? Your post is very random... as if you are addressing questions that werent asked....

doood

iTrader: (1)

the suspension and chassis work needed to run 10's will make a car very impractical to drive on the street even if it has enough power to do so.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16Cowboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Individual throttle bodies are not good for the street. That's drag strip only. Driving with ITB's would be a serious pain in the ***.
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tell that to the guy's in the all motor forum with itb's on their street cars

Bjorn20

since you are so confident, you should prove him wrong and build a 10 second &lt;300 hp honda

B18c192DA

I have a buddy that has an eg stripped for drag.. It is b20 vtec fully built and tuned. It runs 11.7s. I dont know about 10s but that is pretty fast

Legion

Gutted 85 CRX with a K20/K24 hybrid. I still doubt if 10s are possible. Would a 10.99 qualify as a "10 second car"?

raphael

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Semtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gutted 85 CRX with a K20/K24 hybrid. I still doubt if 10s are possible. Would a 10.99 qualify as a "10 second car"?</TD></TR></TABLE> 10 seconds is 10 seconds<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ComeOnKip &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Absolutely not.

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edit: before i get burned up by the all-motor pundits... it is possible... but there aren't many RACE all motor hondas in the 10s, let alone anything that could pass for a street car. And just cause you can drive it on the street doesn't make it a street car. Theres a door slamming LS1 powered trans am in florida that runs 7s and TECHNICALLY can be called a street car.... but i ain't goin to get groceries in it.</TD></TR></TABLE>technically a street car is just a term used for a drag car that can be driven to and from the track and if possible pump gas. but i think that a 10 second honda with 300whp or less N/A is possible...crx anyone

92redhatch

do it and prove us wrong.

raphael

i dont like drag racing...but i would like to know if its possible

92redhatch

if the car has super high compression( on this high of compression you have to use race gas) and it is gutted (like 1700lbs) making like 300whp yes it is possible. But you talking about a almost full fiber glass car with lexan windows, sheet metal back floor and panels and a 5 gallon fuel cell.

It is no where near a street driven car. And not to mention some big slicks with traction bars and a racing tranny.

Legion

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92redhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if the car has super high compression( on this high of compression you have to use race gas) and it is gutted (like 1700lbs) making like 300whp yes it is possible. But you talking about a almost full fiber glass car with lexan windows, sheet metal back floor and panels and a 5 gallon fuel cell.

It is no where near a street driven car. And not to mention some big slicks with traction bars and a racing tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>



84-87 CRX base model weighs under 1700 with an empty tank. High comp. K20a/K24a4 can make 280whp.

CRX + hybrid motor = theoretically possible 10 second street car. It wouldn't have a cage though. And LOL @ "racing tranny".

sol_1

i think that the guy from bisimoto had a low 10 sec car that was strictly a drag car and had 392 whp in a crx. so i doubt it that a less than 300 hp car will be in the 10s

92redhatch

what i meant by racing tranny is a custom gear set. the tranny is probably the most important thing on an all motor car.

doood

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92redhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i meant by racing tranny is a custom gear set. the tranny is probably the most important thing on an all motor car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the suspension and chassis prep is

0Bisimoto

My opinion: it is possible.

raphael

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My opinion: it is possible.</TD></TR></TABLE>its possible but how can it be done?

SlowReaction

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1737536

Its been done.

62ndsoldier

of course its been done i cant believe how many ppl on here thought its not possible, i hoped these forums would have a few more ppl actually knowlegable. I've even seen NA civics runnin high 9's that we're "street Cars" it was a 88 civic hatch with a pocket rockets h22 engine pushing 400bhp naturally aspirated

A train

ok there are currently 3 cars who run 10 seconds already but to make a point we have a crx uncut with full windows running 11.04 and will run a 10 second pass soon but the car was set up on methanol and was removed from the list because of that and it is also a b series motor only making 256 to the wheels! it is very possible and has already been done by saul first! 1 H motor and two k's have already done it!

f@sth@tch89

iTrader: (3)

a 10 second N/A honda in street trim is not possible. I dont care if it has 400hp...im talking no drag radials, or cheater slicks...cat back, full interior, everything to pass smog, get registered, and insurance. If it can't do all that then its not a street car. Just my opinion. Yeah a lot of these cars can be driven on the street, but no one is driving a 10 sec NA honda to work, to the movies, or to get groceries. The car would be so detuned just to be able to drive on the street that it would even be a 10 second car anymore less have 300hp.

I think sometimes people confuse a stock chassis w/ a race motor that may sneak out to the street races once and a while and gets trailored to the track versus a race motor in a stock chassis and driven everywhere, even to and from the track.