Supahr_Ed

I know the shop manuals say that the spark plug wires should be good below 25,000 ohms or so BUT for performance wise...what is acceptable?

People preach about NGK and OEM wires or what not but is that just their bandwagon opinions? I have always used black oem wires just because that's what i trust (never a loose plug or broken on). But has anyone tested the resistance of cheap $20 eBay special wires compared to OEM? or 7mm wires compared to the thickness of a 9.5mm wire?

Richard...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Supahr_Ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know the shop manuals say that the spark plug wires should be good below 25,000 ohms or so BUT for performance wise...what is acceptable?

People preach about NGK and OEM wires or what not but is that just their bandwagon opinions? I have always used black oem wires just because that's what i trust (never a loose plug or broken on). But has anyone tested the resistance of cheap $20 eBay special wires compared to OEM? or 7mm wires compared to the thickness of a 9.5mm wire?</TD></TR></TABLE>

magnacore although perhaps bias to there product made some interesting comments in regard to what your talking about you might want to look into there website and read up on there therory might answer some of your questions

for the record the only wires i have ever run appart from NGK were magnacore BUT having said that the fit was not half as good as the NGK ones but personally i like these!





Modified by richard7968 at 4:01 PM 3/22/2007

DonF

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Supahr_Ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know the shop manuals say that the spark plug wires should be good below 25,000 ohms or so BUT for performance wise...what is acceptable?

People preach about NGK and OEM wires or what not but is that just their bandwagon opinions? I have always used black oem wires just because that's what i trust (never a loose plug or broken on). But has anyone tested the resistance of cheap $20 eBay special wires compared to OEM? or 7mm wires compared to the thickness of a 9.5mm wire?</TD></TR></TABLE> For $20.00 you can purchase an Ohlm/ Volt tester and educate us.

Rocket

Is less resistance better?

According to Ohm's Law I = V / R

where

I is electrical current. Units = amperes
V is electrical potential difference. Units = Volts
R is electrical resistance. Units = Ohms

So at the typical ignition voltage of 30,000V and typical wire resistance of 5,000 ohms you have 170 miliamps going through the spark plug. That is plenty of current.

tony1

I ran a set of Ractive plug wires on the dyno on a car once, with 0 resistance. The ******* spark was huge, but the dyno didn't work, the timing light didn't work, the dyno computer didn't work, and the car shut off at 5k....

DonF

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ran a set of Ractive plug wires on the dyno on a car once, with 0 resistance. The ******* spark was huge, but the dyno didn't work, the timing light didn't work, the dyno computer didn't work, and the car shut off at 5k.... </TD></TR></TABLE> Ah, good old solid core wires, maybe you did not have enough dwell on the points. Open them up to .045, maybe the condensor was bad and not storing enough of the voltage. LOL Did you try a smaller main jet? They will never know.
Actually i thought resistance in the wires and plug increased the spark ( jumped a wider gap) but reduced duration.

Supahr_Ed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For $20.00 you can purchase an Ohm/ Volt tester and educate us. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well actually I have one, Im just to cheap to go shopping around for wires. Im only asking because I have to custom make some wires for an old car of mine (the type that you have to silicone into a coil). I purchase some wires that and they gave out 5 ohms.

I apologize but the sarcasm confuses me... i just thought maybe someone would be helpful enough to educate me.

Rocket

There needs to be some sort of resistance in wires used in motors with ECU's otherwise the flyback RF noise interferes with the operation of the ECU. There are two main ways to supress RF noise from the spark plugs. One is to increase the resistance of the spark wires (sort of like a "volume" control). The other is to increase the inductance of they wire, i.e. wind the conductor in a spiral. This creates a high frequency filter that resists high frequency current thus suppress RF noise.

Supahr_Ed

would you know how to tell if the wires go bad? There were many times where I would see a high horsepower car have irratic spark (during runs on the dyno) due to the wires..but I guess there can be other reasons for it also.

Rocket

1. If the resistance is too high, meaning higher than the specified range then there may be a break(s) somewhere in the conductor.

2. If there is a break-down in the wire jacket, you will have arcing. This can be seen if you rev the motor in the dark. You should see sparks flying from the wire to a ground source such as the valve cover etc.

Uncle Willie

The rule of thumb is typically 10,000 Ohms/foot. If the resistance is more than that their shot.

dfoxengr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Master of the Universe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is less resistance better?

According to Ohm's Law I = V / R

where

I is electrical current. Units = amperes
V is electrical potential difference. Units = Volts
R is electrical resistance. Units = Ohms

So at the typical ignition voltage of 30,000V and typical wire resistance of 5,000 ohms you have 170 miliamps going through the spark plug. That is plenty of current.</TD></TR></TABLE>

looks like 6 amps to me.

mgags7

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Master of the Universe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There needs to be some sort of resistance in wires used in motors with ECU's otherwise the flyback RF noise interferes with the operation of the ECU. There are two main ways to supress RF noise from the spark plugs. One is to increase the resistance of the spark wires (sort of like a "volume" control). The other is to increase the inductance of they wire, i.e. wind the conductor in a spiral. This creates a high frequency filter that resists high frequency current thus suppress RF noise.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But don't forget the fact that introducting that inductor will create a delay in the spark, the impedance of purely inductive loads causes current to lag voltage by 90 degrees, the resistance of the wire would have to be raised high to balance that effect out.

Rocket knows his RF stuff

Rocket

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

looks like 6 amps to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Doh

Rocket

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
But don't forget the fact that introducting that inductor will create a delay in the spark, the impedance of purely inductive loads causes current to lag voltage by 90 degrees, the resistance of the wire would have to be raised high to balance that effect out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll have to look into that. I don't think the inductance of spiral core wires is high enough to cause ignition delay. I would be easy to test. Just set timing with high resistance wires and then switch to spiral core wires and see if the timing change.

mgags7

Yeah that would be very easy to test with a timing light.

Though I doubt it is enough impedance to really make a noticeable difference....

Supahr_Ed

Thank you all for the info..

Turbo-Sol