donnie_437

alright fellow HT gurus. heres my dillemma. i have a b18c in a 92 hatch atm. its basically stock but i wanna get some nice headers(hytech or smsp) and upgrade my cams(another $grand) with ecu tuning(another $4-500 or so with hondata) but is it just cheaper to sell the type r motor and swap in a k20a motor? what do you guys think. how much is it total to swap in a k20?

JayDeeEmm

Doing it all yourself or paying for labor too?

average around 10k

stealth50k

k20 is good but expensive. I would stick with the b18c though. You can get more hp for your money with it. If you mod a k20 its going to be around like 13-15grand already. B18c, if you want power you can sleeve it and bore it out pretty big. Get good cams. You can get pretty far for less but if you want the k20 thats good to. Depends on how much your willing to spend usually.

ipodhustle

for the money, go b20 vtec or H2b.
just build a b20 shortblock and you're almost done.


if you are willing to commit 8-10k to a kswap, then by all means do a k swap.

k20a2 swap 3200-3500
kswap budget header 450
kpro 1100ish
mounts 450-500
harness 350?
axles?
custom intake?
fuel lines/fpr?
karcepts shifter kit (not needed) 120?
forget what i'm missing

Boots

k swaps= not worth the money or headache

DCFIVER

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K swaps =not for the poor, but def. worth it...

Boots

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K swaps =not for the poor, but def. worth it...</TD></TR></TABLE>

depends on who you are if it's worth it or not....i cant justify spending 13 grand and only having 250 HP give or take.....with 13 grand id build a 700 HP B series CRX that could compete...but hell, thats just me

MARC P

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depends on who you are if it's worth it or not....i cant justify spending 13 grand and only having 250 HP give or take.....with 13 grand id build a 700 HP B series CRX that could compete...but hell, thats just me</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont know where you are getting 13 grand from? You can do it for ruffly 6500. Trust me it is worth it, I used to be a huge B guy, I switched to K in 06 and will never go back. There is nothing like have a stock K with I,H,Kpro and run mid to low 12's.

Marc P

.Hatches.

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There is nothing like have a stock K with I,H,Kpro and run mid to low 12's.
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There is nothing like a stock h2b doing low 12's and still having lots of money left

jdmassejcoupe

i'm on the same page and i think i'm going with the h2b way less expensive and from what i understand a much more simple swap

DCFIVER

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There is nothing like a stock h2b doing low 12's and still having lots of money left </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah. Who cares if your hood wont close all the way or if your oil pan is draging on the ground

fekyoride

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Yeah. Who cares if your hood wont close all the way or if your oil pan is draging on the ground </TD></TR></TABLE>

The QSD kit in a Ek allows stock hood clearance and the oil pan is not much off from a b series swap. H2b is damn cheap.

My budget=
adapter plate 780
megan header 50
h22 longblock w/ blown head gasket 200+100 for a resurface and new head gasket
machine crank pulley 50
tranny ecu axels linkage mounts= all no more than 1000

My whole swap after tuning is no more than 2500 out the door for a bone stock motor making around 190whp and gobs of torque with factory reliability

JayDeeEmm

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well worth the money and not even a headache

1999_ek9

I'm newby here and absolutely agree with you. H2b alot easier or just stick with ur B18.

ipodhustle

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k swaps are easy, it's just the money issue that's hard to get over LOL

k3vin337

k swaps are not hard!!

i just finished my first swap by myself in my garage a k20 into a crx and boy o boy does it move haha even untuned

total came out to 6k roughly and didnt cut any corners top of the line ish

much more potential than a bseries mod for mod


Modified by k3vin337 at 1:01 PM 3/28/2008

Boots

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stealth50k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">k20 is good but expensive. I would stick with the b18c though. You can get more hp for your money with it. If you mod a k20 its going to be around like 13-15grand already. B18c, if you want power you can sleeve it and bore it out pretty big. Get good cams. You can get pretty far for less but if you want the k20 thats good to. Depends on how much your willing to spend usually.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MARC P &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I dont know where you are getting 13 grand from? You can do it for ruffly 6500. Trust me it is worth it, I used to be a huge B guy, I switched to K in 06 and will never go back. There is nothing like have a stock K with I,H,Kpro and run mid to low 12's.

Marc P</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats where i got 13 grand from...i understand it dosent cost that much to do a stock k swap, but still, with the money spent you could make a very bad *** B series...don't get me wrong, k swaps are bad *** and they are the future...but not for me yet

MasterFunk

K20 swap? It's no joke. It's going to cost you an arm and leg. You have a good motor to start off with already. You might as well stick with that and build it up. I would say you will need to spend roughly around $7K or even more for the swap. The swap itself is $5500. Depending what kind of parts you're getting. This includes swap, axles, motor mounts, K-pro, and other parts to make the swap run perfectly. I have a jdm b18c motor in an EG hatch right now and I am planning to build it up, at first I thought about going Kswap but I don't have the type of budget to do so.

h22crxpwr

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by donnie_437 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright fellow HT gurus. heres my dillemma. i have a b18c in a 92 hatch atm. its basically stock but i wanna get some nice headers(hytech or smsp) and upgrade my cams(another $grand) with ecu tuning(another $4-500 or so with hondata) but is it just cheaper to sell the type r motor and swap in a k20a motor? what do you guys think. how much is it total to swap in a k20?</TD></TR></TABLE>

sell your type r motor. buy an H22 longblock (cheap as hell) get a QSD H2B kit. use all your type r trans / axles, mounts, linkage, etc... still have money left over.. and run the same or better than a K20 swap.

Honestly Stock K20 swaps (I, Custom header, K-pro, etc.) are not that impressive..

pretty weak for all that money. Our Stock H2B ripped way harder than any K20 swap. for WAY less than a K swap.

Now if you have unlimited funds then you can go K24 block. K20 head, Cams, pistons with stock sleeves. but then you compromise streetability and you will be buying a new trans every week... but for that much money you can build a 99 stroke H22 that will destroy that..

Stock H2B makes damn good power. H2B with cams and valvetrain run even better. and believe me will break off any stock K20 swap..

basically until the price of the K goes down the H22 can be made to run so much harder with a lot less $$$$$....

my .02..

donnie_437

so 10k ish for k20 swap? hmm...maybe ill just stick with b18c. if i can get 200whp without touching the bottom end....thats enough for me

.Hatches.

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Yeah. Who cares if your hood wont close all the way or if your oil pan is draging on the ground </TD></TR></TABLE>

my hood closes perfectly and my oilpan is about 1 inch lower than a b-series, header clearance on the other hand sucks *****. but k-series oilpan sit low too.

Boots

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by donnie_437 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so 10k ish for k20 swap? hmm...maybe ill just stick with b18c. if i can get 200whp without touching the bottom end....thats enough for me</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats pretty easy to do actually

4g hatch

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I dont know where you are getting 13 grand from? You can do it for ruffly 6500. Trust me it is worth it, I used to be a huge B guy, I switched to K in 06 and will never go back. There is nothing like have a stock K with I,H,Kpro and run mid to low 12's.

Marc P</TD></TR></TABLE>

theres nothing like a mild ls-v with decent cams and run 12's and not have to change anything over

mar778c

iTrader: (1)

With the right combination of bolt-ons and tune, a H22 will make 210+ whp. The only thing I don't like about the H2B swap is the triming of the back of block and oil pan.

If you have the money go k. If not H2B or even build the B18C.

jeffy

just remember that all the things you want to buy for your R motor, you will still have to buy for the K. only thing is the same parts are more expensive for the K. it can be done for 6k or less if you shop around and do it all yourself (including k-pro, and a decent header) but as it was said before you can spend that much on a different setup and make more power with less hassle.