crxsi1

very nice im currently building my b16a, but its a winter project so it wont be up and running till next yr. doin the whole engine up, gsr crank, b17a rods shot peened and 82mm pistons, using the pistons for the 95mm stroker kit were the rist pin is moved up 3mm, not sure wat im goin w for the head but i got all winter to think about it...lol keep it real

EG6 Master

Actually I said; "As previously stated by me on several All Motor threads, I will not build an engine that has a larger stroke than the bore"

Meaning that I will ONLY build an engine that has a LARGER BORE than its stroke.
The engines that I listed previously in this thread were those that allow for such a configuration.

That is NOT possible with an LS VTEC, CR VTEC, GSR or Type R.

And NO I DONT agree with the rest of you that the B16A is slow.........

N/A

Lol I'm aware, sorry late night I was typing things backwards all nite like dyslexic on crack

But the point is less stress on the rotating assembly no?

EG6 Master

My personal preference is for a high revving motor. Which requires a higher rod ratio, which in turn has the added benefit of placing less stress on the components.

N/A

Added benefit? Isn't that the whole point of a higher rod ratio?

EG6 Master

There are many benefits to maintaning a high rod ratio, not JUST ONE. For a tuner like myself ALL of them are GREAT. Since my building preference is focused on power via revs, my concern for torque is greatly reduced compared to 90% of H-T users. So I in turn dont have to sacrifice and compromise like others do.

A high R/S ratios principal benefit to me is the ability to produce horse power higher in the RPM band. I also like it because of its reduced component stress characteristics:
:and because it complements long duration cam specs
:and due to the fact that it slows the piston accelaration speeds down
:and because it allows for more time for the cylinder to be scavenged
:and because it creates a much better combustion event
:and because the piston doesnt "run away" from the flame kernel
:and so on....

N/A

I know there are other benefits jus always assumed that was the main reason. Less weight is less stress and allows the higher revs.

Care to explain how it allows a better combustion event?

EG6 Master

Because the piston remains near TDC for a longer period of time, the ignited combustion mixture has a longer duration of time to directly impact the piston crown. Helping to PUSH the piston down the bore instead of the stroke of the crank PULLING the piston down the bore. Making each combustion/ignition cycle MUCH more efficient than long stroke setups.

So your spark plugs actually get to do the job they were intended to do.

N/A

Thought so. Sorry to interrogate just confirming my own knowledge.
When I started off with hondas wanted to do a short stroke setup and boost the **** out of it just cause to have the underdog. Idea got lost in the wind tho when the b16 I had went kaboom at 95xxk lol

And for the record, I don't have no personal hate for the b16, or any inanimate object lol, I just like torque

EG6 Master

I like torque also. However, I would rather increase torque production via an increase in bore size. Increasing the stroke is fine also to a certain point. But you cant have a high rod ratio without a short like stroke, a very long rod and short compression height or a high deck block. None of the B18s or B20 allow for that with their respective stock cranks.

I like the B16A/B because they are fun to drive, reliable, powerful for their size and still great on gas.

N/A

I see. GSRs make my panties wet personally.

Happy medium so to speak

EG6 Master

I have a TOP SECRET B Series that I will be working on. The only problem is that I cant began work on it for about another two years. Me and my wife live in Tokyo right now but we can move in 2013, a year after she has the baby.
Then I will build my VTEC MONSTER that will make everyones panties wet!!

N/A

Why not start the build in tokyo?

EG6 Master

Its too much of a hastle to perform engine swaps here.

N/A

Ohhh I see. Build it there and have it ready to swap over here!

In 2 years it should be interesting tho. Majority will probly have K's by then

EG6 Master

Cant build it right now with the baby on the way. I have the money, but I told the wife I wasnt going to spend anymore on my car (98 Accord SiR-T) for now. The good thing about that is that now I get to buy a CBR 1000 RR because of a deal we made.

I work for the DoD. We wont be coming back to the states for quite a while. Going to somewhere in Europe next. I will be shipping my car (92 Civic Si) from Texas to Europe and then performing the swap.

I would have thought by now that the K Swap would be more popular. The B Series is still the favored platform for now because of the initial investment required for the K Series. Maybe in two years the cost wont be the prohibiting factor that it is at this time and we will see more K Swaps than we do today.

The target HP and torque for my B Series is much more than a bolt-on B16A but much less than a K Swap. I will be very content with just a nice high revving Stage 2 DOHC VTEC that is fun to drive.

N/A

Care to share the goal?

hoffmanb16

I will ALWAYS have love for the b16, like N/A said it's in my username..... I actully used to come on here and defend the b16 till I was blue in the face... Then I bought in and went b20 vtec and my god, it was a pleasant surprise.

But once you go 2.0L chances are you wont wanna go back <--- These are facts.

JR_Integra

Well, since you are pulling that arguement. I guarantee that all of the b18 race engines are no longer 1.8L and all of the b20 race engines are no longer 2.0L. Any race engine will only loosely resemble the engine it came from. Look at Top Fuel engines (500ci big block engines). They began as big block chevys for the most part, and now they are all custom block and head castings designed specifically for each team. Race engines are expensive for a reason.

As for the op's question. Port and polish the head, get a good set of cams, and do the typical bolt ons. The gains will be substantial over stock performance and this would pave the way for any future mods like a built b16, a ls/v or b20v, or a gsr/type r swap.

hoffmanb16

Exactly

Did you really think N/A was trying to say that ONLY b16 race engines are larger then what the started with? Of course if the 1.6 guys are doing it so will the 1.8's and 2.0's, he never denied that because that would be plain stupid.

PyroProblem

Agreed.

N/A

Wasn't pullin any arguement at all.

Actually read things before you open your mouth

EG6 Master

OK I'll bite: 230 and 150

AGAIN, this is a DOHC VTEC that VERY VERY few on here would even consider......

Thats enough, I've said too much already....

N/A

lol seems like a practicle goal at least

EG6 Master

That is my "Stage One" goal. If I obtain the numbers I want from the components that I have selected then I will do a Version 2 setup with 245 and 160 as my goals.

I must tell you that I am VERY VERY anxious to do this build. Its going to be like nothing you have ever seen on H-T before, that I can assure you. All from LESS than 2 liters.

But ONLY if Stage One is successful.