Del Sol B16A Sir2 revs dropping and sputtering around 3k
02-03-2008, 01:22 PM
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Del Sol B16A Sir2 revs dropping and sputtering around 3k
Del Sol w/ B16A Sir2 revs dropping and sputtering around 3k
The idle seems to be low at 500rpms, was idling at 700-1200rpms
I just started the car up and the power is lacking and it has the feel of a blown head gasket but it couldn't be, no fluids leaking no white smoke at operating temp no contamination in the water and no reason for the gasket to be blown.
Could the VTEC not be working or something?
Help me ask better questions, I need this car to get to work....
GO Patriots!
... close game and they lost but I am still proud to be a dedicated fan of a dope team
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After reading this I think its either the head gasket or VTEC oil pressure switch?
How can I tell what the problem is, I don't want to run the car any more until the oil pressure and fuel delivery is normal again.
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In the standard VTEC system, the engine design uses VTEC technology to vary the lift and duration of the intake valves to provide optimum performance at low and high rpm. In a standard engine, most manufacturers use a camshaft profile that makes a compromise between the ideal valve lift and duration for best low rpm performance and peak performance at high rpm.
When the camshaft profile is too radical, it allows compression to be lost at low rpm when the air speed is insufficient to take advantage of the high lift camshaft. That is why a racing engine will run poorly at low rpm and is not practical for everyday driving. Also, an engine with a mild camshaft profile does not allow sufficient time to fill the cylinder with fuel and air at a high rpm, which can cause the engine to have poor top-end performance. With a VTEC system, the engine will have both types of camshaft profiles.
The VTEC system uses a lower lift camshaft for normal engine operation. When it gets between 4,000-6,000 rpm (depending on year and model), it electronically turns on the VTEC system and the high-lift camshaft lobes are used, creating better top-end performance. This system allows optimum power in both low and high rpm.
The basic VTEC engine uses a camshaft with three intake lobes for each cylinder. The outer two camshaft lobes are for low rpm operation - they operate the intake valves directly by rocker arms. The center high-lift camshaft lobe and its rocker arm are idling and the movement is controlled by a spring, or what Honda calls a "lost motion" assembly.
When driving the vehicle with the rpm high enough for VTEC operation, the engine control module (ECM) operates the variable valve timing solenoid to open the solenoid and allow oil pressure to be applied to the pistons in the intake rocker arms. This action causes the outer rocker arms to be pinned to the middle rocker arm and now the three rocker arms operate as a unit, using the high-lift camshaft lobe for improved high-end power. When the engine rpm drops below VTEC operation, the VTEC solenoid is not energized and hydraulic oil pressure is turned off. This allows the return spring to return the pistons to their rest position and lets the rocker arms operate independently again. The VTEC transition between low and high rpm is smooth and normally not felt by the driver.
The ECM also looks at other inputs for VTEC operation - engine temp, engine oil pressure and vehicle speed (VTEC does not turn on unless the vehicle is moving). A separate oil pressure switch monitors the VTEC system. If a problem occurs, the ECM can turn off VTEC operation and will set a code, turning on the "check engine" light. In some cases, it can also cause a driveability problem.
The VTEC oil pressure switch is a normally closed switch. The ECM sends a voltage to the switch and expects the voltage to go through the switch to ground. If the ECM reads a voltage on that circuit when the VTEC system should not be operating, it will turn on the "check engine" light and set a code. This code will be a P1259 on a vehicle with OBD-II.
When the ECM energizes the VTEC solenoid valve to turn on the VTEC system, the ECM expects the VTEC oil pressure switch to open and see the voltage on the circuit. If there is a delay with oil pressure opening the switch, the ECM will set a trouble code and may limit fuel delivery, causing a driveability problem.
Reasons for no VTEC operation include low engine oil level, VTEC solenoid not opening or the screen behind it is restricted, an engine that has low oil pressure, or an oil pressure leak to the rocker arm assembly. In some cases, when engine work is performed, a missing or damaged O-ring can cause incorrect oil pressure to the VTEC system.
When diagnosing a trouble code P1259, always look at freeze-frame data. This data will tell you if the code is set at high or low engine rpm. If the code is set below 4,000 to 6,000 rpm (depending on the engine), check the oil pressure switch circuit for a faulty switch/connection or poor ground. When the code sets during VTEC operation, check for an oil pressure or mechanical problem with the VTEC system.
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Modified by elwuudz2 at 8:11 PM 2/3/2008
The idle seems to be low at 500rpms, was idling at 700-1200rpms
I just started the car up and the power is lacking and it has the feel of a blown head gasket but it couldn't be, no fluids leaking no white smoke at operating temp no contamination in the water and no reason for the gasket to be blown.
Could the VTEC not be working or something?
Help me ask better questions, I need this car to get to work....
GO Patriots!
... close game and they lost but I am still proud to be a dedicated fan of a dope team-----------------
After reading this I think its either the head gasket or VTEC oil pressure switch?
How can I tell what the problem is, I don't want to run the car any more until the oil pressure and fuel delivery is normal again.
-----------------
In the standard VTEC system, the engine design uses VTEC technology to vary the lift and duration of the intake valves to provide optimum performance at low and high rpm. In a standard engine, most manufacturers use a camshaft profile that makes a compromise between the ideal valve lift and duration for best low rpm performance and peak performance at high rpm.
When the camshaft profile is too radical, it allows compression to be lost at low rpm when the air speed is insufficient to take advantage of the high lift camshaft. That is why a racing engine will run poorly at low rpm and is not practical for everyday driving. Also, an engine with a mild camshaft profile does not allow sufficient time to fill the cylinder with fuel and air at a high rpm, which can cause the engine to have poor top-end performance. With a VTEC system, the engine will have both types of camshaft profiles.
The VTEC system uses a lower lift camshaft for normal engine operation. When it gets between 4,000-6,000 rpm (depending on year and model), it electronically turns on the VTEC system and the high-lift camshaft lobes are used, creating better top-end performance. This system allows optimum power in both low and high rpm.
The basic VTEC engine uses a camshaft with three intake lobes for each cylinder. The outer two camshaft lobes are for low rpm operation - they operate the intake valves directly by rocker arms. The center high-lift camshaft lobe and its rocker arm are idling and the movement is controlled by a spring, or what Honda calls a "lost motion" assembly.
When driving the vehicle with the rpm high enough for VTEC operation, the engine control module (ECM) operates the variable valve timing solenoid to open the solenoid and allow oil pressure to be applied to the pistons in the intake rocker arms. This action causes the outer rocker arms to be pinned to the middle rocker arm and now the three rocker arms operate as a unit, using the high-lift camshaft lobe for improved high-end power. When the engine rpm drops below VTEC operation, the VTEC solenoid is not energized and hydraulic oil pressure is turned off. This allows the return spring to return the pistons to their rest position and lets the rocker arms operate independently again. The VTEC transition between low and high rpm is smooth and normally not felt by the driver.
The ECM also looks at other inputs for VTEC operation - engine temp, engine oil pressure and vehicle speed (VTEC does not turn on unless the vehicle is moving). A separate oil pressure switch monitors the VTEC system. If a problem occurs, the ECM can turn off VTEC operation and will set a code, turning on the "check engine" light. In some cases, it can also cause a driveability problem.
The VTEC oil pressure switch is a normally closed switch. The ECM sends a voltage to the switch and expects the voltage to go through the switch to ground. If the ECM reads a voltage on that circuit when the VTEC system should not be operating, it will turn on the "check engine" light and set a code. This code will be a P1259 on a vehicle with OBD-II.
When the ECM energizes the VTEC solenoid valve to turn on the VTEC system, the ECM expects the VTEC oil pressure switch to open and see the voltage on the circuit. If there is a delay with oil pressure opening the switch, the ECM will set a trouble code and may limit fuel delivery, causing a driveability problem.
Reasons for no VTEC operation include low engine oil level, VTEC solenoid not opening or the screen behind it is restricted, an engine that has low oil pressure, or an oil pressure leak to the rocker arm assembly. In some cases, when engine work is performed, a missing or damaged O-ring can cause incorrect oil pressure to the VTEC system.
When diagnosing a trouble code P1259, always look at freeze-frame data. This data will tell you if the code is set at high or low engine rpm. If the code is set below 4,000 to 6,000 rpm (depending on the engine), check the oil pressure switch circuit for a faulty switch/connection or poor ground. When the code sets during VTEC operation, check for an oil pressure or mechanical problem with the VTEC system.
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Re: Del Sol B16A Sir2 revs dropping and sputtering around 3k (Inferno^)
Just found out my ignition timing was expletiveing retarded... literally
All my VTEC theorizing for nothing
when the bolts back out of the distributor bracket this is the result... I'll tighten everything up and stop overlooking obvious problems
All my VTEC theorizing for nothing
when the bolts back out of the distributor bracket this is the result... I'll tighten everything up and stop overlooking obvious problems
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