lude98SH

I found them on here

http://www.crank-scrapers.com/Honda-Acura.html

Who is running them and is it worth it on an all motor application ?

DonF

Yes,but it takes more work than most here are ready to do.

all-mtr-teg

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Such as? Or would it be easier running a dry sump system?

lude98SH

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1040680&page=2

on there it looks like there are no drawbacks to it. It seems fairly easy to install. Why would it be alot of work ?

Has anyone used the teflon ones ?

Runnerdown

I'm purchasing the teflon one for my current build.

alterdcreations

sound's like a good thing but it would suck if a peice teflon broke off and got stuck in the oil pickup screen

Fkned

It's a lot of work because you have to fit it to the crank,it's not a drop in piece.
A dry sump is something completely different altogether.

lude98SH

why does it not fit perfect ?

Fkned

because its too expensive for the manu to make one fit every possible crank/rod combo,so they make a one size and you fit it to your needs.If you want it you can always take it to Mahler Engine Service in Collingdale 610-522-9344.I'm from around you and he's the best in the area imo.

wed3k

bookmarked

hybrid2007

Is it just a case of trial fitting, removing some material, trial fitting again and so on until the scraper clears the crank/rods?

alterdcreations

i would assume that you would have to take side loads in to effect also

93-lsvtec-eh2

you have to install it and trim the whole thing to be just the right distance from the crankshaft counter weights. very time consuming

lude98SH

interesting ...... from what ive read SRT-4s run them stock. Wouldnt that be alot of work ?

Fkned

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid2007 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it just a case of trial fitting, removing some material, trial fitting again and so on until the scraper clears the crank/rods?</TD></TR></TABLE>Yes,but it has to be the right distance from the rotating assembly.To close and it hits,to far and it does nothing.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude98SH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">interesting ...... from what ive read SRT-4s run them stock. Wouldnt that be alot of work ? </TD></TR></TABLE>Not so much if you only have one combo to work with.

Pondus

But with a teflon plate added on the scraper, I thought the idea was that the teflon should be in slight contact with the crank? I mean, it will wear down a bit anyway so rather be a bit tight at first to ensure that the distance is not too big. The whole point in using a teflon insert beeing able to run a tighter clearance on the scraper, thus working a bit better.

With a steel scraper I can understand the need for a small clearance, otherwise the engine would make all kinds of interesting noises when running, and shavings would end up in the oil.

lohatch

Don, have you found any noticable gains you would like to share?

lude98SH

my question would be how far do you have to position the scraper from the crank journals ? Because obviously closer is better.

Aquafina

iTrader: (3)

DonF saw around a 1.5-3% gain on a B16. B19coupe saw a 1.5-2% gain on a D16.

Combustion Contraption

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what does this even mean?

DonF

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what does this even mean?</TD></TR></TABLE> Maybe heat expansion? Figuring .002 main and .002 rod you would have a deflection of .004 devided by 2-=.002 of course the crank may deflect by .003, so we are up to .005 befrore heat expansion.

93-lsvtec-eh2

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what does this even mean?</TD></TR></TABLE>

take it easy man i think he drives a dsm.

AllMotoRex

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take it easy man i think he drives a dsm.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL.

I'm building a motor myself and was considering one as well but on hard conering would it starve the bearing ? I know the whole purpose is to keep weight of the oil of the rotating assembly and such. Also how would this work out with a baffled pan and scrapper combo ? would it starve the bearings?

Chris Tune

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LOL.

I'm building a motor myself and was considering one as well but on hard conering would it starve the bearing ? I know the whole purpose is to keep weight of the oil of the rotating assembly and such. Also how would this work out with a baffled pan and scrapper combo ? would it starve the bearings?</TD></TR></TABLE>

bearing starvation from a scrapper? please use the logic on this one... seriously...

alterdcreations

i am thinking that you have to give at least .019 of clearence for the endplay of the crank and then .040 on the rods. assuming but i have never used one before
h /f series


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