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Old 05-30-2018, 02:51 PM
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Bringing up a old thread for those enthusiasts that like to fool with nonvtec headed engines. Looking for some pistons with a yielded compression ratio more than 12.3? Done a quick search cant find any. How ever only reason why I am asking, a couple years ago I almost bought a set of 14.1c/r Probe pistons.
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OEM P30 (B16A) or PCT (B16B CTR) pistons
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Almost forgot about this thread. Occasionally I get PMs for things on this subject (my ported P8R and my 405A cams) -- but I think most people have forgotten all about this kinda power. I'm gonna go back a few pages and catch up to see what people were working on.
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Sup guys, new to the forum. Looking for recommendations for rebuilding my B18B1 LS 4dr/Auto. I'm looking for a few extra HP while keeping eh reliability of the engine. Something simple/classic .
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If anyone is still on here let's get some talk going again.

I have a simple all motor b20 build planned out for a weekend "drag" car, it's going to be in a really light crx hf, goals will be mid to low 12s. I already have the cylinder head done and will be using that for the build, it has a full port job by myself, crower 404 cams with vms cam gears, supertech single valve springs and retainers, the head is fitted with a ported b16 intake manifold but I will probably try to weld up another b16 intake manifold with a b20 manifold plenum for more volume on it, might try to play around with some itbs, either home made or obx, that will be down the road though. The bottom end will be stock rod with arp rod bolts and probably 85mm b16 pistons off eBay. I plan on finding any cheap b20 block I can that's build able and doing some moroso block filler in it for added strength. I'm hoping to make 200whp out of the setup at the least and will continue to make changes to it to get there. If I can carry 145 ftlbs to 7500 it should make just over 200whp. Goal weight for the car is 1700 or less with the driver. It will have a fuel cell up front as well as a small battery up front. No interior just seat, steering wheel and cluster zip tied. Cut out most of the sheet metal. Really excited for it. Should be a very budget minded build.







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What compression ratio are you estimating?
Old 09-14-2018, 12:37 PM
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Zeal autoworks estimates it at 12.1 to 1 comp. I think that would be about border line for working on pump gas but it really depends on how the cams respond to it. I can play with cam gear adjustments to get the dynamic compression ratio to where it would run on pump just fine.
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Just ordered 85mm b16 pistons today. Been thinking about the project allot, I think that having a larger plenum for this sized motor would be benificial so I'm gonna source another p30 intake manifold and I have a b20 giraffe plenum cut off already to put on the b16 intake manifold. I will port the b20 plenum and make sure the runners have a slight taper as well. Just need to source a tranny now. I was originally thinking a ls tranny would work well but now I'm leaning towards b16 trans since I'll be able to rev it to 8-8500 depending on when the power falls off and I'd like to run either 22 or 23" slicks depending on what I can get my hands on for cheap.


Anyone still on here building stuff? Post your builds. It makes me sad that the forums are dying 😭
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Originally Posted by K7-1Ktrevor
Zeal autoworks estimates it at 12.1 to 1 comp. I think that would be about border line for working on pump gas but it really depends on how the cams respond to it. I can play with cam gear adjustments to get the dynamic compression ratio to where it would run on pump just fine.
I've got some 405as (crower, not BC) if you find out your're limited on power. Don't be afraid to deck that head though to tighten things up - with the proper cam and tune you can go north of 12:5 on pump. You'll see there's been a few 13:0 guys on pump, but the timing handicap could mean that a 12:5 motor "could" make more overall hp than the same motor and cam combo at 13:0.
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I understand that very well. I've been tuning for a living since 2010 so I get to see allot of what works and what doesn't work. I'll put it together with the estimated cr of 12 to 1 and if I feel it needs more comp i can always deck the head or one ply the head gasket. Picking up a builder b20 block tomorrow with crank, rods and phk pistons for $100.
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Your flange looks better than most of the other hack jobs I've seen while adapting the b16 manifold to the P75/P8R head.
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Bottom end is starting to come together. This is the first bottom end I've ever assembled myself. I don't know why it took me so long to dive in but so far it's really fun. Only issue I had was the one set of rings I didn't check gap on which was the oil spacer ring ended up being way to tight stopping the pistons from wanting to drop in. Gapped then and everything went together like butter. Using acl race bearings and all clearances are just about perfect.
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Something I've been working on. 84.5mm b16 piston b20. 404's, custom built intake manifold for dual throttle bodies in a super light crx.


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^ dope
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Let's keep this thread alive. Anyone have anything cool in the works they are building? this is my intake manifold, built from a b16 lower half and some 3" aluminum piping and 11gauge aluminum for the end pieces. Should have some videos of it running by next week at some point.




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Finally pulled my 403s out of the box and got them installed. Time to find a dyno to rent some time on and get to work.
Old 12-04-2018, 06:21 AM
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You are gonna like those 403s. They make power from 1500-7500 pretty damn solid over stock cams.
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Definitely. I'm really happy so far. Went out last night after I got it running and did a bit of street tuning, drivability is great everywhere and the power comes on really smoothly. I was able to dial in a nice smooth idle at 875 too, so the setup remains nice and stealthy. I'm sure I will be leaving a bit on the table with my induction and exhaust setups, but it's worth it to me for a well behaved dd. I mostly just wanted to shift the torque peak up the range a bit and get the knock under control with this shitty California gas.
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Yeah the idle like stock just a little louder. If you end up wanting it to lope you can adjust your cam gears for a little more overlap or run it lean at idle. That's one of the things I enjoy the most about cammed non vtec motors is the Lopey idle.
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and so it begins.....In todays "high value" market, I think $80 was a more than fair price for this (in a rush, but no rush).







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put the cart before the horse posting the P8R head.

The block that inspired it all...it was given to me by a friend. It had a damaged piston, but a complete bottom end with rods. I wish I took before pictures, definitely didn't look like this


Pistons & Rings have arrived.
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What's the story on the missing cam cap on that P8R? I'd imagine it's worth north of $250 if it's complete, clean, and checked to be good to go.
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What's the story on the missing cam cap on that P8R? I'd imagine it's worth north of $250 if it's complete, clean, and checked to be good to go.
I wish I knew. Apparently he says his buddy has that cap. Hoping to get it soon. If not, I'll have to find one and plastic gauge it.


touching my previous block post, the only before snap I have of it before cleaning




onto block guarding....so I killed a china block guard on install, I even shaved the protruding ledges where the headstuds are (uncomfortably so). After it distorted I went back in and shaved the ledges even more.



Then, I purchased a supertech B.G., it started off better, I was excited - it too got stuck. As you can see I messed up. Should I remove it, sand more and try again? or just deck the block and send it!?





I've installed at least 5 of these things...I did my buddies "china joint" perfectly....
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Originally Posted by Stinkycheezmonky
Huh, cool idea. How about P8R information as well? I'll dig up some of the more pertinent threads later on and link them, if that's how we're going to be doing it.

B20 non-VTEC FAQ with P8R information
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1467903

Nonvtec.com...just because, I guess? The people there are at least dedicated to the non-VTEC cause
http://www.nonvtec.com/board

Discussion on making P8R head work with an LS block
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1466416

"Built" streetable B20 (RS Machines pistons, Crower 404s, etc.), piston and CR discussion
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1707713

If any or all of these are out of line, PM me and I'll remove whichever ones.


Modified by Stinkycheezmonky at 4:15 PM 9/25/2007
Hey i have a b20b motor, my harness is obd2a I put in a obd1 dizzy from a 92 Intergra, it cranks but doesn't start. What am I missing
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im going to try b20z stock block stock p75 shaved .04 with 1 layer headgasket for 11:1 and 405a2 cams. I'll post it


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