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Sugar Shane 10-09-2012 05:20 PM

Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 
Tried removing my VTEC solenoid today, to change the screen/gasket, plus give it a good cleaning. I figure it's due after 133k miles...

The first bolt I tried removing would not budge. Not only would it not budge, but due to the bad angle and lack of visibility, I managed to make it a bit round. My 10mm socket would no longer grip it. So, went at it with a Craftsman bolt-out, which is supposed to grip the head and help you remove it. Nope. Turns out, the bolt is rusted into place to the point that the bolt-out tool just made the head even rounder. So now, the VTEC solenoid is being held in place by a bolt that has a round head, smaller than a 10mm, larger than a 9mm, the #4 bolt-out won't grip it, and the #2 won't fit on the head. Not only that, I haven't even attempted to remove the other 2 bolts that hold it in place.

Help.

prelude_h22vtec 10-09-2012 06:44 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
If it ain't broke....

Sugar Shane 10-09-2012 06:49 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 

Originally Posted by prelude_h22vtec (Post 47966485)
If it ain't broke....

...Then you aren't turning it hard enough.

lazlong 10-09-2012 06:51 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
Hit it with some good penetrating oil (not WD-40) and let it soak overnight. Then use either a) crow's foot b) a wobble extension c) a socket joint.

If the bolt head is rounded you can try to hammer a socket on it.

lazlong 10-09-2012 06:56 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 

Originally Posted by prelude_h22vtec (Post 47966485)
If it ain't broke....

Eventually, that would be routine maintenance

prelude_h22vtec 10-09-2012 07:10 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
Hammering a smaller socket on works a lot of times. If that doesn't work I pull out the cut off wheel.

Sugar Shane 10-09-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 

Originally Posted by lazlong (Post 47966512)
Hit it with some good penetrating oil (not WD-40) and let it soak overnight. Then use either a) crow's foot b) a wobble extension c) a socket joint.

If the bolt head is rounded you can try to hammer a socket on it.

I'm thinking of trying the hammer first, though there isn't a lot of room between the engine and the firewall to swing a hammer.

spatula 10-10-2012 01:17 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 

Originally Posted by Sugar Shane (Post 47966679)
there isn't a lot of room between the engine and the firewall to swing a hammer.

Try removing the passenger axle and going through the wheel well.

Fliptard 10-10-2012 01:52 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
and ALWAYS use a 6 point with bolts that are hard to get out, also... how is it rusted to Aluminuim?

stocko_EK1 10-10-2012 03:29 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
hope its gone your way , dam that sucks :(

10psiLsEf2 10-10-2012 03:31 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
leave it alone

Basik_One 10-10-2012 04:46 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
I've had luck with some vise grips

Sugar Shane 10-10-2012 07:34 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 

Originally Posted by Fliptard (Post 47970093)
and ALWAYS use a 6 point with bolts that are hard to get out, also... how is it rusted to Aluminuim?

I did use a 6-pointer. I'm guessing that the combination of it being slightly off-angle, combined with an awkward reach to get to it, and the fact that the surface of the bolt was sufficiently deteriorated, caused the socket to slip.

As for how it's rusted into place, the bolts go through the VTEC solenoid's heat shield before entering the head, and the heat shield is made of a metal that does get quite rusty after 10+ years on the car. I imagine that once I'm able to break them loose, they'll (hopefully) come out without a fight. I did have the good sense to buy new ones before I attempted to remove them, once I saw how rusted they were.

greynine 10-10-2012 09:05 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
Try using some PB Blaster. What I had used to get a rounded off nut taken off was i think a brinks socket set and it worked perfectly to get it off. not too sure if that is the same as the craftsmen.

Type-Spaz 10-12-2012 03:06 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 
my advice is with it's location leave it alone. You'll probably only make it worse from here.

Sugar Shane 10-14-2012 02:43 PM

Re: Well, that was dumb...
 

Originally Posted by Type-Spaz (Post 47978795)
my advice is with it's location leave it alone. You'll probably only make it worse from here.

Well, I probably can't make it worse than I've already made it, and besides the fact that I suspect the screen may be slightly clogged, I understand that the gasket on it has a propensity to leak.

Plus, (and I know I'm not alone here) just knowing that there's a damaged fastener holding something onto my car's engine is enough to keep me up at night. I'm giving it one more shot, but if I can't remove it myself, I'm not too proud to admit defeat and seek help from professionals.

10psiLsEf2 10-14-2012 06:36 PM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 
this will work forsure..... if you really want that bolt out.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=turbo...9,r:1,s:0,i:80 THEY HAVE NEVER FAILED FOR ME

Sugar Shane 10-14-2012 06:39 PM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 

Originally Posted by 10psiLsEf2 (Post 47985264)
this will work forsure..... if you really want that bolt out.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=turbo...9,r:1,s:0,i:80 THEY HAVE NEVER FAILED FOR ME

Already tried it. All it did was shave the remaining corners off.

10psiLsEf2 10-14-2012 06:40 PM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 
with an impact?

Type-Spaz 10-14-2012 07:14 PM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 
Pull the engine then if it's that bad... it's a tough spot to get into. You can have it out and back in in a day

Sugar Shane 10-15-2012 10:00 AM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 

Originally Posted by Type-Spaz (Post 47985384)
Pull the engine then if it's that bad... it's a tough spot to get into. You can have it out and back in in a day

It may come to that...

10psiLsEf2 10-17-2012 06:57 PM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 

Originally Posted by Type-Spaz (Post 47985384)
Pull the engine then if it's that bad... it's a tough spot to get into. You can have it out and back in in a day

OH Gosssshhhhh!!



Op post pics please...


I also asked if you used the extracters with a impact or hAND ratchet.

Sugar Shane 10-17-2012 07:59 PM

Re: Rounded the VTEC solenoid bolt. Help
 

Originally Posted by 10psiLsEf2 (Post 47999206)

I also asked if you used the extracters with a impact or hAND ratchet.

I used a standard 3/8" ratchet. I don't have a compressor in my garage... Yet.


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