kefka

iTrader: (1)

This is my 3rd Honda Si product, and I can honestly say this is the best SI ever made. The car is sporty and athletic. interior and exterior are well designed and flow together flawlessly. Each day that passes since I've owned my current si i literally fall more and more in love with it... The only con i can think of is...As sporty as the car is overall the curb weight of the car takes away from a decent motor. Its fun to drive but a bit on the gutless side. Buy one and enjoy falling in love.

jkgultimate

It looks a little weird.

And its slower than the previous Si which only had a 1.6L motor.

Tyte-S

No way is the Ep3 a step up from the Em1. I just don't buy that at all. And as far as the best Si ever made, the new Si's far exceed the Ep3 as well. Most people consider the Ep3 as a step back for the Si after the Em1. The Em1 Si did very well in selling as the Ep3 was more of a hit or miss with most people.

WhiteOnRice

The exact same could be said about the RSX and the last gen Integra. The cockpit feel/interior of the em1 to the ep is a huge jump, as with the last integra to rsx. Overall the EP is way, way nicer than an em1. The em1 just seemed like a regular Civic with a b16.

I guarantee that if the 02-05 Si was offered as the em2 body it would have whizzed by without scrutiny like the ep3 gets.

Tyte-S

1. We are not talking about the Rsx. So why bring it up? This is pros and cons of the Ep3. Stay on point. 2. I agree, if the k20a3 was offered in an Em1 body, it would be a great car, but it wasn't. Everytime one of you Ep3'ers make an argument about the Ep3, it's always a bunch of "if's". If it had this engine. If it was offered with this body. If it has a lip and some rims. Etc... It doesn't matter. It's not.

WhiteOnRice

I knew you would dwell on the "if." I'll quit with the subtlety because it goes over your head. The ep3 is scruitinized because of its body style.

I brought the rsx up not to bash it but as a comparision to an integra as the ep is to an em1; which you brought up.

To be blunt: EP interior >>>> em1 interior.

No need to get so defensive.

0930_SI

iTrader: (1)

EM1 = Best SI made! Drove an EP3 and it sucked, so i kept the EM1.

chunky

I had a black Em1 SI, which I loved.

I have currently a black EP3 si, which I like better overall.

The interior is WAY nicer, steering is infinitely better than the em1. Brakes are better. More useable interior space. Stiffer chassis so the car just feels more solid.

There's no way I'd ever go back to owning an em1 civic si. none. Sometimes, I wonder if I might like the FG2 or FA5 civic si, but the sobering fact is that k-pro doesn't exist yet for the newer si. Stock vs. stock, the new si wins, but modded, the ep3 no question.

chunky

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mattrt09 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i dont understand why you would spend that much money on a car then swap the motor for even more money.

If you were planning on swapping why wouldnt you just get a older civic or 90's model honda, they are lighter and you can do a full K swap for less than what youd spend on swapping an ep</TD></TR></TABLE>

The cost for parts on a k -&gt; ef/eg/ekswap is substantial. It is all in addition to the cost of the motor. Plus, there is a lot of labor involved.

If you're looking for a track only car, sure, get the ef/eg/ek and do the swap. For a daily driver, the ep3 is going to be much nicer. The 2002 si's go for dirt cheap. Since the ep3 is native k-series, you could swap to any other k-series easily. No hassle with custom work, it's an EASY bolt in that anyone can do in a weekend.

I didn't say that the ep3 was the best candidate for a swap, just that it is a good choice b/c of how easy it is.

Tyte-S

No ones getting defensive. If you buy a car for the interior, get a Cadillac.

mattrt09

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ok there is no way that it would be cheaper to buy and ep and swap than it would be to buy an older model civic. im pretty sure any year EP will be in the teens, wich is already way more than an older model civic so therefore no matter what you spend on the swap its not possible to spend more on the older civic.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. We are not talking about the Rsx. So why bring it up? This is pros and cons of the Ep3. Stay on point. 2. I agree, if the k20a3 was offered in an Em1 body, it would be a great car, but it wasn't. Everytime one of you Ep3'ers make an argument about the Ep3, it's always a bunch of "if's". If it had this engine. If it was offered with this body. If it has a lip and some rims. Etc... It doesn't matter. It's not. </TD></TR></TABLE>

x2

Tyte-S

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chunky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but the sobering fact is that k-pro doesn't exist yet for the newer si. Stock vs. stock, the new si wins, but modded, the ep3 no question.</TD></TR></TABLE>You're basing which is a better car on the fact that the new Si doesn't have Kpro yet. Key word yet. Even without Kpro, modded, I'm still putting my money on the new Si. 40 Hp difference is alot to make up. Not too mention no Lsd, no 6 Spd Trans., weaker I-Vtec. I remember awhile back when I was in the market for a new car, I test drove an Ep3 and I stepped out and I was highly disappointed. 6 months later I bought an '02 Type S. Not to make a comparison, I'm just stating what I decided to go with. Cool shifter and nice interior just doesn't make up for the lack of performance and the hideous look.

mattrt09

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're basing which is a better car on the fact that the new Si doesn't have Kpro yet. Key word yet. Even without Kpro, modded, I'm still putting my money on the new Si. 40 Hp difference is alot to make up. Not too mention no Lsd, no 6 Spd Trans., weaker I-Vtec. I remember awhile back when I was in the market for a new car, I test drove an Ep3 and I stepped out and I was highly disappointed. 6 months later I bought an '02 Type S. Not to make a comparison, I'm just stating what I decided to go with. Cool shifter and nice interior just doesn't make up for the lack of performance and the hideous look.</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2 again!!

we think alot alike

DC5 FTMFW!!

square_1

The reason I like my EP3 over other Civic Si models...

EVERY other civic si has been just a better tuned version of the BASIC model Civics.

The EP3 is the ONLY Si that has its own unique body style.

EM1 Si just looks like any other 96-00 coupe with flashy color options for paint and different wheels and then it has a different motor. The list goes on. Anyone can take any previous model civic and make it into an si. Not with the EP3. They are ONLY si models and there is no trickery involved.

EP3 looks like no other civic made at the time and there for I get people asking me CONSTANTLY what it is. If those are aftermarket seats, etc. I like that. Then I explain to them how it isn't like other civics, it has the new breed of K series motors, and all these other goodies.

I will admit I have never driven an EM1 Si. But I know that I like having the extra displacement at my disposal. K series is in and B series can't last forever. In a couple of years the k series parts will hopefully get cheaper and more common and then we will have a good platform already.

All of my friends that have and or have driven built B series motor always say that they love how the torque feels on it compared to their cars. They have raced and autocrossed in fully built GSR swapped EGs and they say that it has no low end and is a tank below 5000. But with the EP3 they love the little extra umph below the belt.

Take it for a drive.

You'll like the interior, the seats, the interior colors, the semi roomy back seat, the cargo capacity, sound system too.

Sorry if it is long but it's my heart and soul!

Tyte-S

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by square_1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take it for a drive.

</TD></TR></TABLE>I did. Like I said, I was a bit disappointed. I was expecting alot more, and I didn't find that. Interior is nice. Performance wise, it didn't spark me at all.

WhiteOnRice

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mattrt09 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok there is no way that it would be cheaper to buy and ep and swap than it would be to buy an older model civic. im pretty sure any year EP will be in the teens, wich is already way more than an older model civic so therefore no matter what you spend on the swap its not possible to spend more on the older civic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought you were talking the swap itself was cheaper in an eg/ek/ef than ep.

The interior is just another plus to me on the ep. I do like how the em1 looks, but not as much as an ep. I wanted a more "modern" car and I've always liked hatches. The k20 is definitely also a plus, even if it is the runt in the litter.

Ice78transam

Meh, Do what you want. Its not a bad car. I just think it looks kinda stupid, and exceptionally ricey when "tuned-out."

02_Si_FTW

Hey i like the fact that it looks like a computer mouse!
Really pretty much everyone summed it up. I like it because its unique compared to the 2 million dc5's u see in my city. It may not be fast but I think street racing is a joke, and dont have time to go to the track. Gets good gas mil. Looks great lowered.

-ConS-
-Coffin creak after 50k-80k(fixed by a ton of white lithium grease/or new rack)
-Gets beat by Swapped eg's/ef's and of course those damn nissans with sr20s haha.
-Lot of people hate on them

thetunersource

just get an ep3, turbo it and have fun. at that point the only cons you will have that you still drive a civic and you just end up getting pissed off cuz you don't have a k20a2, at least i do...

WhiteOnRice

You're boosted and still upset you don't have an a2?

chunky

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're basing which is a better car on the fact that the new Si doesn't have Kpro yet. Key word yet. Even without Kpro, modded, I'm still putting my money on the new Si. 40 Hp difference is alot to make up. Not too mention no Lsd, no 6 Spd Trans., weaker I-Vtec. I remember awhile back when I was in the market for a new car, I test drove an Ep3 and I stepped out and I was highly disappointed. 6 months later I bought an '02 Type S. Not to make a comparison, I'm just stating what I decided to go with. Cool shifter and nice interior just doesn't make up for the lack of performance and the hideous look.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You wholly misunderstood. I said modded, the ep3 wins b/c of kpro. That means there is greater modding potential. K24 block + a2 had + cams + 6spd and I don't think an fg2/fa5 would stand a chance w/o boost. Sure, they've got the re-flash and a MAF, but they're still highly limited on what combinations/mods they can run.

SkankyEJ7

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chunky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You wholly misunderstood. I said modded, the ep3 wins b/c of kpro. That means there is greater modding potential. K24 block + a2 had + cams + 6spd and I don't think an fg2/fa5 would stand a chance w/o boost. Sure, they've got the re-flash and a MAF, but they're still highly limited on what combinations/mods they can run.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't tell that to Jameslewis on ClubRSX LAWL. what a toolbag.

Tyte-S

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chunky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You wholly misunderstood. I said modded, the ep3 wins b/c of kpro. That means there is greater modding potential. K24 block + a2 had + cams + 6spd and I don't think an fg2/fa5 would stand a chance w/o boost. Sure, they've got the re-flash and a MAF, but they're still highly limited on what combinations/mods they can run.</TD></TR></TABLE>If you're going to put in a k24 block and a a2 head. Then it's not the k20a3 anymore. How does that prove the potential of the a3? Same mods on both cars, except reflash on the Fg/Fa k20z and Kpro on the Ep3 k20a3, I'm still thinking it's the Fg/Fa hands down.

chunky

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you're going to put in a k24 block and a a2 head. Then it's not the k20a3 anymore. How does that prove the potential of the a3? Same mods on both cars, except reflash on the Fg/Fa k20z and Kpro on the Ep3 k20a3, I'm still thinking it's the Fg/Fa hands down. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Looks like you misread the title of the thread. It's "pros and cons of the ep3," NOT "pros and cons of the k20a3."

My contention has been that the ep3 is a good candidate for a motor swap due to its relatively low cost (relative to RSXs) and the extreme ease of swapping in other k-series variants.

Ice78transam

Low cost? no. anything over 10k i wouldn't consider a "low cost" Honda. Its a matter of opinion at every level but I wouldn't want anything to do with the ep Si or K20A3. What an ugly, boring car. My engine better rev to at least 7k rpm if its an itty bitty 4 cyl. Its just a watered down car and I really dislike that idea. The EP3's ***** havent dropped whereas the RSX (K20A2/Z1) is at least a little balzy.

Just my opinion.