NSX or WS6
 

Who would win in 1/4 mile an NSX or a TransAm WS6. I know WS6 has massive horsepower but how does an NSX hold up against it.

Re: NSX or WS6 (ACR)
 

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Quite well.

Here are typical 1/4 mile times for the NSX according to the magazine tests:

'91-94 five-speed NSX Coupe - 13.8
'97-03 six-speed NSX-T - 13.3
'97-01 six-speed NSX Coupe and '99 NSX Zanardi - 12.9

Typical Trans Am (WS6) magazine tests are high 13s, about the same as the '91-94 five-speed NSX Coupe. Even the SLP Trans Am, with an extra 10 hp, only did 13.6 in this test. The problem with the Trans Am is that it's so heavy (3300-3500 pounds, vs 3010 for the NSX Coupe and 3160 for the NSX-T) which more than offsets its slight advantage in horsepower (285-325 for the WS6, vs 270-290 for the NSX).

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

Thanx for the info man. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (ACR)
 

*Peeks in*


*shakes head*

Re: NSX or WS6 (Knightsport)
 

ignorance is bliss https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (lightning lover)
 

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I would reply to that remark, but I don't have time because I'm busy getting a few things done in time for Monday's track event. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

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I would reply to that remark, but I don't have time because I'm busy getting a few things done in time for Monday's track event. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sweet which drag strip is it? https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Generally speaking newer LS1's are low 13's with a few in the high 12's with really good driving...the flywheel ratings are wayyy underated as most LS1's with lids dyno at 320+whp

Driver is everything in both cars but for it to run high 13's I would expect it to be auto w/2.73's and a 2.2 60'.....very possible but not a comparable 6 speed man with 3.0+ gears

To each his own

Re: NSX or WS6 (SergEK)
 

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This one.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SergEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Generally speaking newer LS1's are low 13's with a few in the high 12's</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not according to the magazine tests. Show me a test - just one will be fine - by one of the major magazines (Car and Driver, Road & Track, AutoWeek, Motor Trend) in which a WS6 gets a 1/4 mile in the twelves. Can't do it, can you? But the July 1998 Car and Driver had a bone stock NSX that did the 1/4 in 12.9.

Of course, there are some folks driving stock NSXs out there that get results much better than the magazine tests, too. So if you compare magazine tests to magazine tests - or if you compare the drivers that beat magazine tests to the drivers that beat magazine tests - the 3.2-liter ('97+) NSX still beats the WS6 handily.

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

don't forget to mention the ws6's poor weight distribution and heavy weight and the power difference is no more than 50 hp.
the ws6 has i think 320hp(with ram air) a regular firebird/transam has 305
the nsx started with 276hp and now has 290hp.
the torque from thews6 makes a difference, but doesn't help when all you can do is spin one tire forever because of the lack of an lsd and alot of axle hop.
i can't really see how you would even consider comparing the too. hell, the ws6 is in the s2k's price range.

Re: NSX or WS6 (texnteg)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by texnteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the nsx started with 276hp</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it was 270.

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

ok, thanks. i couldn't remember exactly. was it the japanese model that had 276hp? i guess with our different rating systems from what other countries use, numbers get changed around a bit.

Re: NSX or WS6 (texnteg)
 

It might have been. I think their rating is in "ps", and I think that would be about the proper conversion.

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

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This one.

Not according to the magazine tests. Show me a test - just one will be fine - by one of the major magazines (Car and Driver, Road & Track, AutoWeek, Motor Trend) in which a WS6 gets a 1/4 mile in the twelves. Can't do it, can you? But the July 1998 Car and Driver had a bone stock NSX that did the 1/4 in 12.9.

Of course, there are some folks driving stock NSXs out there that get results much better than the magazine tests, too. So if you compare magazine tests to magazine tests - or if you compare the drivers that beat magazine tests to the drivers that beat magazine tests - the 3.2-liter ('97+) NSX still beats the WS6 handily.
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But I could care less about magazine results, I want to know what the average schmuck driving "insert performance car here" would drive. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (Knightsport)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Knightsport &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want to know what the average schmuck driving "insert performance car here" would drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The average schmuck, probably fifteens or higher...

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

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The average schmuck, probably fifteens or higher...
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LMAO!

See, that's the kind of person that I would most likely run into on the street.

At "the track?" https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif I could care less how fast they go in a straight line.

Re: NSX or WS6 (Knightsport)
 

well, you really have to factor in price difference, and we all know that an NSX will rape a WS6 on a road course.
New NSX, $90,000 and utterly absurd pimp-factor
Ws6-$35,000? moderate pimp factor, and the money that you saved could probably turn it into a monstrosity of a 1/4 mile machine. id say that if you want a drag car, buy a WS6, not to mention that it will be alot cheaper if you blow the engine on the T/A, or anything else goes wrong with it (which is inevitable...its a GM https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emwink.gif )

Re: NSX or WS6 (tharptroy)
 

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New NSX, $75,000.

Or do you pay sticker when you don't have to?

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

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This one.

Not according to the magazine tests. Show me a test - just one will be fine - by one of the major magazines (Car and Driver, Road & Track, AutoWeek, Motor Trend) in which a WS6 gets a 1/4 mile in the twelves. Can't do it, can you? But the July 1998 Car and Driver had a bone stock NSX that did the 1/4 in 12.9.

Of course, there are some folks driving stock NSXs out there that get results much better than the magazine tests, too. So if you compare magazine tests to magazine tests - or if you compare the drivers that beat magazine tests to the drivers that beat magazine tests - the 3.2-liter ('97+) NSX still beats the WS6 handily.
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Man you need to get your head out of the magazines and into the real world. Those mags don't even post what they actually ran. They adjust it for optimal conditions which i think is B.S. They should just post what they run. Anyway back to the point. A buddy of mine ran in the mid 12's with just a cam and exhaust on his LS-1 Z28 and before that he ran a 12.8 with just the exhaust. He's putting down 390 whp now and going for even more. The variability in the auto mags times (between the different mags and even between the same mag that has reviewed a car more than once) proves they are not a reliable source for performance numbers.

Re: NSX or WS6 (oos2kfan)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oos2kfan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They adjust it for optimal conditions which i think is B.S. They should just post what they run.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Fine, you can think it's BS all you want. You're still wrong. Raw test results are corrected to a standard atmospheric conditions to allow for some level of comparison between different vehicles. I don't know about you, but my puny little brain gets confused comparing numbers when they are in the form of 13.7s@101mph@975 millibars@30.6° C. I'd rather see something like 13.7@101mph.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A buddy of mine ran in the mid 12's with just a cam and exhaust on his LS-1 Z28 and before that he ran a 12.8 with just the exhaust.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good for him. 1/4 mile is not my thing, but that's a good time. What kind of tires/pressure? I wonder what it runs stock.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He's putting down 390 whp now and going for even more.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Whoop-dee-doo. Oops. I mean, good for him. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The variability in the auto mags times (between the different mags and even between the same mag that has reviewed a car more than once) proves they are not a reliable source for performance numbers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There you have it folks!

Yup, I'm sure we'd get much more consistent numbers using your method. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif


Modified by ojas at 12:05 PM 9/1/2003

Re: NSX or WS6 (ojas)
 

All I'm saying is that magazines are wrong about most cars. They quote a stock Z28/Trans Am as running a 13.8. I know countless people that have hit 13.2 and 13.1's with a stock Z28. No offense but you really need to get out more. These magazines are about as reliable as a tarot card reader. My method is the get off your @$$ and try it method not the "oh I read about it so i know everything and am going to ignore that thing called real life method" https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (oos2kfan)
 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oos2kfan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man you need to get your head out of the magazines and into the real world.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong, buddy. I do. I can take any bone stock WS6 with my NSX, on any race track I've driven. I've driven on twenty different tracks. How many have you driven, hmmm? Tell us how much YOU go out, and how many tracks YOU'VE driven on. We're waiting...

However, I know that magazines test BONE STOCK cars, not modified cars that they claim are stock (like some guys at the drag strip), and they use professional drivers, not amateurs on their first time to the drag strip (like some guys boast about beating, "I beat a Corvette/Ferrari/Porsche so my car is faster blah blah blah" even though the guy next to them had never been there before https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif). And they run comparison tests of those bone stock cars on the same day, and they adjust for differences in temperature and elevation to standard, so that the times are comparable from one issue to another.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oos2kfan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They adjust it for optimal conditions which i think is B.S.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong again! As Ojas pointed out, they adjust to STANDARD conditions (not optimal) to eliminate the effects of a cool day or differences in elevation. Anything else you'd like to get wrong? Oh wait, it looks like there is...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oos2kfan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">buddy of mine ran in the mid 12's with just a cam and exhaust on his LS-1 Z28 and before that he ran a 12.8 with just the exhaust. He's putting down 390 whp now and going for even more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So what? When you talk about modified cars, the whole "is car A faster than car B?" goes out the window. You can modify ANY car to be faster than ANY OTHER car. Put a 911 Turbo engine into a Chevy Cavalier and it will be faster than a 360 Modena. Does that mean that "a Cavalier is faster than a Ferrari"? Only if you're talking about one specific Cavalier, not ANY Cavalier. That's why discussions about what a modified car will do are so meaningless; every modified car is different and there's no such thing as an "apples to apples" comparison.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oos2kfan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The variability in the auto mags times (between the different mags and even between the same mag that has reviewed a car more than once) proves they are not a reliable source for performance numbers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong again! Hey, you managed to make three statements that are flat-out wrong, all in the same post. You hit the trifecta!

The fact is, the "variability" you speak of is rarely more than one or two tenths of a second - which is WAY more consistent than you will get from any three guys going to a drag strip.

You really don't know WTF you're talking about, do you? https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emhammer.gif



Modified by nsxtasy at 3:42 PM 9/1/2003

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

motor trend is the only mag i am aware of that changes its numbers for standard conditions. road&track and car&driver, along with automobile show the numbers they got regardless of track condition, weather or altitude. but if the number seems drastically different, they will state why. i like the way road&track sets their data tables up. very detailed. i love it. many european mags show what they run, i don't pay much attention to magazines that cater towards the aftermarket(i.e. sport compact car, superstreet, etc).

from what it seems, 00s2kfan reads alot of magazines and can get very descriptive on various magazines results and then tell someone to get in the real world. i love hypocrits, they are a jackasses friend. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (texnteg)
 

what does price have to do with 1/4 mile time's ? And all cars have there pro 's and con's even the SEXY NSX. Oh ya the ZO6 is less then then NSX so your saying we can not compair the two ? https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

I haven't driven on any tracks with a WS6, but I know hmm lets see 20 people with trans ams? and most of those are bone stock and run fairly regularly at 2 tracks here in Texas. Several have hit the low 13's (13.1, 13.2) while some of the magazines from years back have quoted times of 13.8. How does that reflect what is happening? The mag times were 6/10ths slower than many times I've seen. Yes I haven't driven their cars, but I know they are bone stock and running times that are very different from the magazines. So that's why I don't listen to what car and driver (etc) says. Their 0 - 60 times even vary by up to .3 seconds depending on which review you read. Also, Car and Driver adjusts for optimal conditions and that is a direct quote from Car and Driver TV. Watch the episode with all the four cylinder tuners (I believe it may even be in that magazine article titled Fourgasm).

Re: NSX or WS6 (nsxtasy)
 

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This one.

Not according to the magazine tests. Show me a test - just one will be fine - by one of the major magazines (Car and Driver, Road & Track, AutoWeek, Motor Trend) in which a WS6 gets a 1/4 mile in the twelves. Can't do it, can you? But the July 1998 Car and Driver had a bone stock NSX that did the 1/4 in 12.9.

Of course, there are some folks driving stock NSXs out there that get results much better than the magazine tests, too. So if you compare magazine tests to magazine tests - or if you compare the drivers that beat magazine tests to the drivers that beat magazine tests - the 3.2-liter ('97+) NSX still beats the WS6 handily.
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The 97+ NSX with a decent driver obviously has a chance with an LS1....but as you can see a small slip and the LS1 is the winner....from my REAL WORLD drag racing experience I have encountered about 3 or 4 NSX's all were older and had drivers with the "twisties" in mind...with that in mind there times were slower than my NA civic let alone my buddies modded SS LS1

So while on paper the 97+ NSX is close all other years are more often than not going to lose in a 1320 environment especially considering most NSX drivers arent willing to sidestep and dump at 7-8K and cut a decent 60'

SO the link you provided to your local strip to base your DRAG experience on was great....I love the timing system used....transponders oWn

http://<a href="http://www.firebirdo...mage84.jpg</a>

This is my local strip where I happen to be the local reigning import class champ (my rookie season) where I WITNESSED countless passes by stock/near stock LS1's and became very familiar with their times and potential.

But what do I know....magazines are the end all/be all...I mean just look at thier selection of 4cyl "tuners" they compiled and the awesome power of the blown 13 sec S2K https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif Magazines are fluff for their advertisements....I cant blame them for making money but I take what they say with a grain of salt.....I have "tuner" friends with NA hatchbacks that could wipe the floor with everysingle one of their "tuner" invites.

Thats all I have to say about that http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emcrook.gif