Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (sneakychaos)
 

that MAY or MAY NOT help.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (SMSP)
 

how loud is the smsp exhaust?

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (LillDragun)
 

the last SMSP exhaust i heard sounded stock http://images.honda-tech.com/set1//smile/emsmileo.gif

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (sgT)
 

That is a very good thing. How much did it cost and what is the wait time to get one from David?

I am a very impatient person https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emsad.gif

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (canuck-mx6)
 

Its a GSR, but its SMS. I love it! Ive been through 3 otherexhausts and this is the quietest AND makes the most power!
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MxeTU0MQ%3D%3D

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MxeTU0MQ%3D%3D

Kinda dirty, but you get thei idea, and yes, its a stock ITR tip. Great product! SMSP gets a https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif


[Modified by nfn15037, 11:33 AM 1/22/2003]

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (nfn15037)
 

Any SMSP Product = https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (Smitdog)
 

i was thinking about going with the smsp exhaust too..and was wondeirng how much would i expect to pay, and does anyone have any sounds for it?

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (canuck-mx6)
 

Good things take time. you have to be willing to wait.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (sgT)
 

The skunk2/RSR cat back has no bottlenecks. I was going turbo but since it looks like I can't pass emissions I am back to looking at headers and cats. I like what I have heard about the SMSP header exceppt I do not want to hack my B-pipe. I am thinking about a Toda/Carsound combo.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (tubedriver)
 

here's a link to what the SMSP sounds like on my ITR. Right Click, Save As!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...f/fcdb4bdf.mpg


[Modified by 98R-1144, 3:44 PM 1/22/2003]

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (SurferX)
 

I just had a 3" tip put on my car. I believe the ITR has a 3.5" tip. My roomate hass an ITR and we compared, mine does look a decent amount smaller.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (DMF)
 

The stock ITR tip is 3" OD, just measured it 2 days ago to verify it for a friend.

BTW, turn around for a cat back kit is 1-2 weeks.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (SMSP)
 

But what is the price?


[Modified by canuck-mx6, 5:46 PM 1/22/2003]

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (canuck-mx6)
 

You need to email me. Companies are not supposed to post their prices.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (SMSP)
 

you got email!

I just can't take it any more!
 

I know I get flamed every time I post, but what the hell, I can't take it any more.
For the record about exhaust systems and gas flow. There are some very important things that you need to take into account. None of these does SMS put into account when he build his deals. For if he was as good as he thinks, then we would see different things from him. In the picture is what an exhaust should look like.
3 important factors that make the difference. 1st, as you see in this set up only one slip joint. Welded or not they cause a lot of turbulance. 2nd, the diameter of bend radius to pipe diameter is also very crucial to column velocity. Only CFD knowledge will tell you that. CFD stands for Computational Fluid Dynamics. 3rd, cat and resonator and muffler selection can restrict flow. That is why we build our own except for the cat, which is gov spec. But it is the best on the market second to none and 100,000 guarantee. You can drop this exhaust from the header and only see a very slight change in power. Why, becasue it is designed right and not copied. http://home.earthlink.net/~hitechexh...RCatBack-3.JPG

Re: I just can't take it any more! (hitechex)
 

hitechex....where can I get more information on your exhaust? pricing etc....looks really nicehttps://honda-tech.com/forums/images...es/emsmile.gif

Re: I just can't take it any more! (RK)
 

I think SMSP products in general are pretty good but I hate the fact that Im making somebodys elses pockets rich when you u can do the same job! What Im getting @ is with the right equipment and parts and of course lots of labor I can build the equivilant exhaust as SMSP! Right now Im talking to a local muffler shop about renting out thier shop on a SUNDAY for about $100 ( Friends of mine ) and building my own 2.5in mandrel bend exhaust! I figured after all is said and done it should cost me about $300 about 1/4 the price of a SMSP exhaust system with the same amount of performance! Ill post pics as soon as im done and put it up on the dyno and see what happens!
Possibliy if i could compare the power of my exhaust to SMSP would be really cool!! I would like to also compare it to my current exhaust which is a APEXI system! https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: I just can't take it any more! (Skunk2 Steve)
 

Is the SMSP exhaust really in the 1200 dollar range? i thought it was a lot less then that. Im sure you will end up with a nice exhaust but SMSP has lots of experience making exhausts, i dont think your's will be equivelent preformance wise as the SMSP.

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (PYITR821)
 

sarcasm???

edit: hehe ::looks at the dates:: disregard my comment... https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif


[Modified by disordeR, 11:11 PM 1/22/2003]

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (98R-1144)
 

its a little raspy on the vtec note?

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast
 

John, you know what I think. I think its time we all made peace with our words war and just accepted SMSP as a competitor. You don't need to get upset about SMSP at all. Just like I don't need to get upset about larry anymore.

Because, in the end, its your product that will tell the story. Your product will say all the words for you and you need not say anything to anyone to sell your products. The people that buy them will tell their friends, and thats how you sell.

Whether Dave says something negative toward you, or you toward him, or me toward larry, or Vice versa..

1 thing its not doing is selling more products. It just makes us look like little men who are uncomfortable with competition.

The public has judged your product already John, and they unanimously say its the highest quality products on the market.

SMSP is also high quality.

I hope you understand my point. Envy in this business makes for an unhappy person. And I for one, do not want to Envy anyone, or anything. Think about how much better you feel when your comfortable with what you sell, that your honest, and that you have a solid customer base.

What else could you ask for! And I met you, your a uplifting positive person.

So is Dave, I met him too. So lets keep it positive, or try, and we will all feel better.

This doesn't make much sense coming from me, the KING of controversy...but I am changing for the better, becoming a better person...just like we all can.

Jeff

Re: where can I see a smsp exhuast (d8168055)
 

doesn't dave build your exhaust specifically for YOUR car when you call and order it? i've seen his headers and the quality/workmanship that goes into those alone is outstanding.

Re: I just can't take it any more! (hitechex)
 

I'll preface this post by saying, My response is very long but I hope the H-T members will read all of it before coming to any conclusions.

I've always tried to be somewhat professional in all my responses towards you in the past one or two years but this one may be different, however I will try to heed ImportReview's words.

First lets go back to https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=103287&page=3 where you stated on 12/19/01:

First off you never proved that I ran the test or in any way rigged the test in my favor. The test was a grass roots attempt to shed light on the whole header situation. It was started by a few guys and the board members actually help pay for it. To my knowledge you have never apologized for your statements.

Above you go on and state,

-----Original Message-----
From: John Grudynski [mailto:hitechexhst@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 1:18 PM
To: jeff701@bellsouth.net
Subject:

Hello Jeff
I do not want to sound like an idiot but before you say things like the SMS header makes as much as the HyTech but cost less. You need to get all the facts first hand before you compare the two. They are not the same header at all they have different lengths and different pipe sizes. And they perform very differently. The SMS doesn't apply any anti-reversion technology to his pipes like the HyTech does. And the on-off throttle response isn't the same either. Just being made out of stainless will yield more Horsepower because of the heart retention of the stainless. I would appreciate that the next time you want to compare anything get the facts first hand, you will probably have a more correct response.
Sincerely
John
--- John Grudynski
--- hitechexhst@earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

John you are absolutely correct my header doesn't compare to yours in on-off throttle response. I hope my header helps the car accelerate not decelerate.

In John's email above he states
to me this doesn't sound like he thinks I copied his header. So I guess in privite emails he says one thing and on performance boards he tries to paint another picture.

Now back to the 12/19/01 statements, you then stated,
Trust me on this one you don't want to go down that road.

Then for that marketing marvel,

What's the old saying? Never say never. But now you are coming back on the board to what? To sell your products to the people you think are cry babies. I'll give you a $100 if you can find any place where I said my header is the best in performance or quality.

Now back to your recent statements in this thread.

I'm truly amazed that you know what I take and not take into account when developing an exhaust system.

I missed the instructions, what time of the day did you want us easterners to face west and pay you homage?

So let me get this straight, slip joints cause a lot of turbulence in an exhaust system. But, they don't in the header primary tubes and the secondary slip connections in your headers? Please tell us all why they work in your header but not my exhaust system.

From what I can see in your picture, you have a slip joint between the B pipe and the axle back (which you mentioned), in the tubing for your twin loop muffler and I'm not sure but it looks like there are 2 more at the inlet and outlet for the resonator. Plus a butt welded joint in the tubing going over the axle. Is that true or not? Because if it is true then you might just be guilty of false advertising.

It's interesting because that one slip joint that you talk about sure looks a lot like the joints that Burns Stainless uses on their turbo collectors. Check them out here http://burnsstainless.com/MergeColle...ollectors.html

Actually, common sense tells me that as did my fluid dynamics courses in mechanical engineering. What happens as the bend radius gets infinitely larger? Your bend becomes a straight piece of tubing and losses are minimized. Jack Roush believes the larger the bend radius the better, even if it means having unequal length tubes. The problem we have with these cars is just that, they are street cars with full bodies and one has to work within those constraints. I always use as large of a bend radius as possible. It just makes sense.

Oh, I thought Mugen made your muffler for you. Was the twin loop your idea also? One of your customers told me that his resonator was another muffler manufacturer's, so I stand corrected. Would you care to provide flow number comparisons of the cat you use with other cats on the market for the folks on the board to verify your claims? I'm not saying it isn't the best but the numbers will speak for themselves, if the tests were performed by an independent facility.

I assume it was just a slight increase in power when the system was removed. Well, when RStoR and I tested my first cat, cat back system and ITR header, power actually dropped when the cat and cat back system was removed.

Have you ever seen this muffler that Mugen makes/sells?

http://www.kingmotorsports.com/image...aust_small.jpg

BTW, ITR21, my cat back exhaust is no way near $1200.



[Modified by SMSP, 6:20 AM 1/23/2003]

Re: I just can't take it any more! (SMSP)
 

Holy smokes..... https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmileo.gif
I had no idea there was such bad blood between Hytech and SMSP. I am just trying to find a quiet exhaust that makes power to replace my Greddy EVO. I talked to John yesterday on the phone about Hytech's exhaust and the delivery times and cost, and he seemed like a stand up guy.

I have also talked to Dave in the past, and he too seemed ok. I am just waiting for his response to my email inquiring about cost.

This public airing of dirty laundry brings me no closer to making a choice https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif , so please put the differences aside and help me pick an exhaust system


[Modified by canuck-mx6, 7:04 AM 1/23/2003]