Swaybar 22mm vs 23mm: Real World Difference?

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12-05-2003, 12:18 PM

streetlights

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whats the difference

i have a gsr and am going to put a rear sway bar on it...the problem is i dont know whether to get the 23mm ITR sway bar or the 22mm ITR sway bar...can you guys tell me if there is really a big difference in the two, and if there is a difference what is it?...thanks for your help

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12-05-2003, 12:28 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

23^4/22^4 = 1.19459
(equation good for similar bars i.e., two similarly-manufactured DC2 rear bars)

23mm is 19.459% stiffer/more rigid than 22mm.

Modified by Chris N at 3:54 PM 12/5/2003

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12-05-2003, 12:30 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Chris N)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">23^4/22^4 = 1.19459

23mm is 19.459% stiffer/more rigid than 22mm.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Assuming equal materials and dimensions...

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12-05-2003, 12:33 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Dave-ROR)

safe assumption with two honda sway bars (usdm and jdm), no?

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12-05-2003, 12:33 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Dave-ROR)

do most people with ITR's upgrade to the 23mm?

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12-05-2003, 12:36 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by streetlights »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do most people with ITR's upgrade to the 23mm?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not most, probably a small percentage. Also a small percentage have Mugen's 26mm.

It's not huge, but it is almost 20% less apt to move.... either is a good upgrade for a GSR. It really depends on how you drive and how you want your car to act, but you can achieve similar results with these two bars.

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12-05-2003, 12:47 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Chris N)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">safe assumption with two honda sway bars (usdm and jdm), no?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes. I just didn't want people taking that for the gospel truth with regards to all bars..

as for using it on a gs-r.. use a proper mounting kit.

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12-05-2003, 12:50 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Dave-ROR)

I think when i get it im gonna use the BSQ mounting kit...oh yeah...if anyone here has upgraded to the 23mm...are they willing to sell their 22mm bar...or if they are going back to 22mm...im interested in the 23mm as well...thanks for all the help, if you guys still got feedback keep it comin

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12-05-2003, 12:51 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

I have a friend who wants to sell his 22mm. If you are interested, let me know. He's already bought my 23mm or I'd offer it to you, Sorry.

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12-05-2003, 12:52 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Dave-ROR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dave-ROR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yes. I just didn't want people taking that for the gospel truth with regards to all bars..

as for using it on a gs-r.. use a proper mounting kit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Very good point! Thanks yo.

I'll edit my post to say that.

oh yea, and use the beaks or BSQ or other appropriate mounting kit on non R integras!

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12-05-2003, 12:56 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Chris N)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a friend who wants to sell his 22mm. If you are interested, let me know. He's already bought my 23mm or I'd offer it to you, Sorry.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep

Comptech 22 mm.

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12-05-2003, 01:03 PM

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Re: whats the difference (cheezthis)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yep

Comptech 22 mm.</TD></TR></TABLE>

which is identical for the most part to a honda dc2 22mm, righto?

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12-05-2003, 01:05 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Chris N)

Pretty much...design is supposedly a bit better? Mounts the same though, so it's good.

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12-05-2003, 01:49 PM

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Re: whats the difference (cheezthis)

bump

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12-05-2003, 01:57 PM

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12-05-2003, 02:06 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Chris N)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

which is identical for the most part to a honda dc2 22mm, righto?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The comptech has the advantage of a more solid mounting bracket (although I have never seen a BSQ or Beaks kit fail), three holes to adjust the stiffness of the bar, and heim joint endlinks. It's only identical in the general shape.

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12-05-2003, 03:47 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Geratol)

can i use the same endlinks from my gsr sway bar on the 22mm itr sway bar?

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12-05-2003, 04:31 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

Ah! Finally a descriptive title!

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12-05-2003, 06:02 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by streetlights »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can i use the same endlinks from my gsr sway bar on the 22mm itr sway bar?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes

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12-05-2003, 06:55 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Geratol)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Geratol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The comptech has the advantage of a more solid mounting bracket (although I have never seen a BSQ or Beaks kit fail), three holes to adjust the stiffness of the bar, and heim joint endlinks. It's only identical in the general shape.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is only true of the new comptech bar. Since someone was selling a used one I felt this point had to be made. But, even the old one is better than the ITR one imo. It's the same as above but only has one mounting location for the endlinks.

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12-05-2003, 06:57 PM

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Re: whats the difference (Tweakmeister)

with the 22mm i would still need the bsq kit right?

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12-05-2003, 07:03 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by streetlights »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with the 22mm i would still need the bsq kit right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes

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12-05-2003, 08:48 PM

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Re: whats the difference (streetlights)

i have the jdm 23mm on my R and felt a noticeable change. it's not a huge difference, but i have noticed the front of the car now has more lean than the rear. it isn't stiff enough to cause unexpected oversteer, just a nice change.