Heat resistant bandage around header
09-20-2003, 07:30 AM
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Heat resistant bandage around header
I've just put on the Toda header, and I noticed that it gets very hot compared to the stock one. Since I also have the J's Racing (Rubbing 
) Intake I'm concerned about the temperature getting too high under the hood. So I'm planning to buy some heat resistant "bandage" to wrap around the header to get the temperature down.
Are there any disadvatages doing this??? Like combustion temperature will rise causing detonation, or the rest of the exhaust getting hotter etc? Any thoughts about this is appreciated.
) Intake I'm concerned about the temperature getting too high under the hood. So I'm planning to buy some heat resistant "bandage" to wrap around the header to get the temperature down. Are there any disadvatages doing this??? Like combustion temperature will rise causing detonation, or the rest of the exhaust getting hotter etc? Any thoughts about this is appreciated.
09-20-2003, 08:54 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Pompiuses)
Just goes to Show you how effective the Stock Heat Shield was. The CF J's Intake will be fine Just that you are ingesting Hot Air. Heat tape will work to keep the heat inside the headers but sometimes this has an adverse effect and cause Heat stress fractures in the Header.
You would be surprised how much the engine Bay cools down when the car is in motion.
You would be surprised how much the engine Bay cools down when the car is in motion.
09-20-2003, 09:18 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Tsukuba 69)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tsukuba 69 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just goes to Show you how effective the Stock Heat Shield was. The CF J's Intake will be fine Just that you are ingesting Hot Air. Heat tape will work to keep the heat inside the headers but sometimes this has an adverse effect and cause Heat stress fractures in the Header.
You would be surprised how much the engine Bay cools down when the car is in motion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, it's that the intake will suck hot air and loose power I'm concerned about. I've heard that the cat-back may heat up a lot when covering the header. That makes me wonder if the combustion temperature inside the cylinders also might get affected by this...??
You would be surprised how much the engine Bay cools down when the car is in motion.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, it's that the intake will suck hot air and loose power I'm concerned about. I've heard that the cat-back may heat up a lot when covering the header. That makes me wonder if the combustion temperature inside the cylinders also might get affected by this...??
09-22-2003, 04:46 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Tsukuba 69)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tsukuba 69 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Heat tape will work to keep the heat inside the headers but sometimes this has an adverse effect and cause heat stress fractures in the header.
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Do you think the Toda header can take this without cracking?
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Do you think the Toda header can take this without cracking?
09-22-2003, 08:23 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do you think the Toda header can take this without cracking?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it can't. i welded mine twice. but, i still continue to wrap it because it works.
Do you think the Toda header can take this without cracking?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it can't. i welded mine twice. but, i still continue to wrap it because it works.
09-22-2003, 08:31 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">J's Racing (Rubbing ) Intake </TD></TR></TABLE>
What is your intake rubbing on?
I never had a rubbing problem with the intake once I convinced the a/c lines that they needed to move down into the engine bay a little bit to share space and be 'team players'. Those a/c lines took a lot of convincing!
) Intake </TD></TR></TABLE>What is your intake rubbing on?
I never had a rubbing problem with the intake once I convinced the a/c lines that they needed to move down into the engine bay a little bit to share space and be 'team players'. Those a/c lines took a lot of convincing!
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09-22-2003, 10:50 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (rodney)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodney »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it can't. i welded mine twice. but, i still continue to wrap it because it works. </TD></TR></TABLE>
auch... then I don't think i'll do that Don't want to be welding on my sweet sweet toda
it can't. i welded mine twice. but, i still continue to wrap it because it works.
</TD></TR></TABLE>auch... then I don't think i'll do that
Don't want to be welding on my sweet sweet toda
09-22-2003, 10:53 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Chris N)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What is your intake rubbing on?
I never had a rubbing problem with the intake once I convinced the a/c lines that they needed to move down into the engine bay a little bit to share space and be 'team players'. Those a/c lines took a lot of convincing!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have no AC, but the intake rubs on the plugwires and the wiring to the left of it.
Thanks to the J's Rubbing intake:
http://www.kvien.no/integra/html/mod...g/P1002078.jpg
Too tight fit for B18C6 i guess:
http://www.kvien.no/integra/html/mod...g/P1001969.jpg
What is your intake rubbing on?
I never had a rubbing problem with the intake once I convinced the a/c lines that they needed to move down into the engine bay a little bit to share space and be 'team players'. Those a/c lines took a lot of convincing!
</TD></TR></TABLE>I have no AC, but the intake rubs on the plugwires and the wiring to the left of it.
Thanks to the J's Rubbing intake:
http://www.kvien.no/integra/html/mod...g/P1002078.jpg
Too tight fit for B18C6 i guess:
http://www.kvien.no/integra/html/mod...g/P1001969.jpg
09-22-2003, 11:16 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Pompiuses)
Header wrap will look like major *** in a few months.
You won't be able to easily get the wrap on without removing the header anyways - so why don't you get the header ceramic coated instead??
Ceramic coating is much more effective than wrap and will last a longer too.
You won't be able to easily get the wrap on without removing the header anyways - so why don't you get the header ceramic coated instead??
Ceramic coating is much more effective than wrap and will last a longer too.
09-22-2003, 11:20 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Big Phat R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Phat R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Header wrap will look like major *** in a few months.
You won't be able to easily get the wrap on without removing the header anyways - so why don't you get the header ceramic coated instead??
Ceramic coating is much more effective than wrap and will last a longer too.
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That is an option.... Do you know how expensive it is?
You won't be able to easily get the wrap on without removing the header anyways - so why don't you get the header ceramic coated instead??
Ceramic coating is much more effective than wrap and will last a longer too.
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That is an option.... Do you know how expensive it is?
09-22-2003, 11:33 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Pompiuses)
09-22-2003, 11:34 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Pompiuses)
A should be 150-200 bux (or less).
Most powdercoating places can do this service for you now.
I had it done locally in Canada for 200. In Norway - it will probably be more $$
<edit - didn't realize you were in Norge!>
Most powdercoating places can do this service for you now.
I had it done locally in Canada for 200. In Norway - it will probably be more $$
<edit - didn't realize you were in Norge!>
09-22-2003, 11:34 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Big Phat R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Phat R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Header wrap will look like major *** in a few months.
You won't be able to easily get the wrap on without removing the header anyways - so why don't you get the header ceramic coated instead??
Ceramic coating is much more effective than wrap and will last a longer too.
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Does this coating cause heat stress cracks... the heat tape seems to cause cracks which require welding.
You won't be able to easily get the wrap on without removing the header anyways - so why don't you get the header ceramic coated instead??
Ceramic coating is much more effective than wrap and will last a longer too.
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Does this coating cause heat stress cracks... the heat tape seems to cause cracks which require welding.
09-22-2003, 11:41 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (RaVAGE00)
No - ceramic coating changes the heat absorption of the metal i.e. it will not heat up as much. Thus the exhaust gases retain more of their heat as they pass through the pipes and they will flow better.
Because the metal isn't heat cycling to extremes as much - it won't crack!
Tape actually makes it HARDER for the manifold to cool down once it's heated.
With ceramic coating - the opposite is true - it cools faster.
With ceramic coating - underhood temps will decrease A LOT! I don't have to leave my hood open at the track anymore - even after 20 min of WOT.
Because the metal isn't heat cycling to extremes as much - it won't crack!
Tape actually makes it HARDER for the manifold to cool down once it's heated.
With ceramic coating - the opposite is true - it cools faster.
With ceramic coating - underhood temps will decrease A LOT! I don't have to leave my hood open at the track anymore - even after 20 min of WOT.
09-22-2003, 11:55 AM
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Re: Heat resistant bandage around header (Big Phat R)
wow. Well I planned to perform this coating during the winter months when the car is stored and I can take the header off....
what kind of tempature decrease can I expect with the coating?
what kind of tempature decrease can I expect with the coating?
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