Tom B

It may not even need fixing, it's pretty small but I'll most likely get it fixed for peace of mind.

Already have them!

touringteg

That is a shame. Good call Klasse! My windshield is mint but could use new moldings. Not sure if I will replace them during the full the paint job I plan to do in the future.

Regarding whether to restore now or later, that is something I am dealing with as well. It really depends on your current use. If it is mainly a garage kept barely used car I say go ahead and restore over time. I am restoring two cars now my 01 ITR CDM LHD (162km) and a 94 Toyota Supra TT silver wingless hard top RHD (139km). In both cases I am bringing them back to OEM spec. The Supra I upgraded the wheels slightly to 97-98 OEM polished because I feel it looks better. Both cars are facing discontinued parts and it will only get worse as time marches on.

My ITR has some surface rust on both rear quarter panels and has some off white panels. VIN is missing on the passenger side front fender and I picked up a 2001 fender with different VIN that I plan to replace. I have a cracked passenger mirror so I bought a replacement as well. Also have new Type R stickers and red A emblems.

Both my cars are garage queens now (ITR is brought out for auto X only at this stage) and Supra is for car shows and the occasional cruising. I am purchasing parts and storing them until I paint the ITR as I am afraid parts will be discontinued. With the Supra I am replacing everything now as it was close to OEM already. The paint and body is in great shape for it's age and mileage so I don't feel a need to repaint it.

Because I still plan to do track days and autoX a lot I am not in a rush to paint the car. In a few years I will likely sell the Supra use the money to have the ITR repainted.

Klasse

As per normal, just sit down before checking the price of those moldings... I happen to have just ordered some too, just for the windscreen though as it has been replaced and now the moldings are a bit rough. Would hate to think the cost of doing the whole car.

On the restore, I find it interesting as to whether it's preferable to have an "as new" car, or one that is original but obviously very well looked after. Like do you replace as much as possible or leave some of what they call "patina"?

feck

Seems to depend on the car to some degree K. Generally speaking though low milage examples of vintage/classics in original stock spec go for the highest prices. Patina depends on the materials too. So a leather seat can develop on Olde Worlde charm in say a 1960's Jaguar, but not so much with cloth or suede in a 90's Honda. Same goes for wood versus plastic dashboard trim. Going way into the future and judging by other old classics just retrimming the seats in equivalent materials seems to not hurt values too much.

Having a couple of relatives who collect classic cars(Alfa's mostly), the one thing they've advised me is trim, interior and exterior, will usually end up being the hardest to find down the line. It's unlikely the oily bits on our cars will ever be too difficult to source. There were and are so many aftermarket suppliers and they share a huge amount of mechanical bits and bobs with other Honda models. New panels may become scarce, but the base Integra models sold in their squillions throughout the world so secondhand panels should remain easy enough to get. Worse case scenario down the line a good panel beater can make up and weld in a section, even a whole panel. Might be more of an issue in the USDM with the VIN stamped panels not found in other markets, but I suspect in years to come that'll be less of a concern as they become rarer and rarer.

Another area they mentioned were exterior lights. Headlights and rear lights. They're very vulnerable and particular to the car. Depends on the market though. So for the US/EDM/Aus twin lamps you could likely find a similar enough size, something like the JDM it'll be original or game over.

Tom B

Got my chip repair booked in. £134 for half an hours work.

touringteg

It's funny but a local Integra owner has a complete front end for sale from his 2001 silver GSR because he converted to JDM. All in pretty good shape. Hood, both fenders, bumper, radiator support, head lights, ITR replica lip etc. All for $800 CAD (approx $590 USD) and just a few blocks away! Very tempting but it would be a lot to store.

My thought on trim condition is that I will never compete in concours so I don't need the trim to be perfect. Just very good condition and worthy of local car shows.

feck

That's pretty cheap from what I've read of values for that kinda stuff across the Atlantic, though US prices seem to be more pricey again, well I suppose that's more the JDM stuff. A few years back when the prices were crazy in the US I was kinda tempted to look into exporting JDM front ends. At the time you'd buy whole cars in Ireland for the price of a front end. Actually now they're even cheaper as folks can't insure them over here. About the cheapest Integra Type Rs(EDM or JDM) on the planet. Example 00 UK/EDM for roughly four and a half thousand US dollars and I'd reckon there's wriggle room to bargain there. Hasn't even been viewed by a buyer yet and the advert's up for months. 96 spec like Tom's for a little less. Well... not like Tom's. Because of this I have been keeping my eye out for parts like headlights, bumpers, interior trim bits and bobs. Got a few, but narrowly missed out on a set of 98 spec HID's that went for 200 quid and an R windscreen for 60.

Exactly. You want a car you're not afraid of driving. Plus as cars get ever older and manufacturer sourced spares dry up trim parts are often redone and it doesn't affect the value that much, in sought after models anyway. Few enough Jaguar E-Types(XKE) or any of the 50's/60's British sports cars would have their original trim, or in many cases their original body colour and they can still command mad money. Now you might say that an E type is a far cry from our R's and maybe it is, but I'm not so sure. It depends on how fashion goes in the future. There was a time you could get an E type for junker money and that's not that long ago. You could say similar for a lot of classic 50's American iron too and their values have climbed year on year.

There's definitely been a shift away from aftermarket additions and into the preservation of stock R's in the last couple of years and values have followed suit. A car like Tom's is always going to command a premium, but for me it's worth more than money. If I saw Tom's car in the flesh I'd likely be on bended knee bowing to it and him. I can see Tom's dilemma, but if it was me? I'd keep going, driving and enjoying your car, because I'm pretty sure that if you did sell it, it would be The Car™ that you'd regret selling down the line. Ask any old fart petrolhead like me and I'll near guarantee they'll be able to name their one.

Tom B

Autoglass have been and gone and I must say they did a good job. You can barely see where the chip was from the outside.

Before


After

feck

That is a good job alright. And a lot less stress and expense compared to a new screen.

Tom B

Wanted to get something brand new from Spoon without spending too much and taking the car too far from OEM.

The OEM **** is wrapped in bubble wrap and kept in a safe place for the time being.

feck

Niiiice.

Tom B

Just a small, nostalgic touch haha. Not going to build a full Spoon spec car anytime soon.

forbiddenera

I don't get this logic? I know how Tom is with his car and maybe if it's original I can understand, sorta..?

New glass is awesome. It's weird, until it starts to get dirty you feel like you don't even have a windshield.

It's about $60-100 CAD for glass here and about the same for labor. Takes a skilled team maybe 20 minutes to do it properly.

I know I can get a new windshield for my car anytime for $160 installed..I think that's 60 for glass and 100 in my buddy's pocket.. yes I know someone but even if you don't, I'm sure retail can't be that bad.. I watched them do it last time in like 20 minutes start to finish. The result was great, so clear!

Tom B

Is that an OEM glass? Over here they are around £400+ just for the glass.

feck

Exactly Tom. Sure you can get the screen replaced cheaply enough(though around 200 quid would be very cheap in my neck of the woods and I suspect in Toms), or even "free" if you have windscreen cover, but it'll be a third party generic Integra one, not the thinner OEM Type R one. No way is an OEM one a hundred quid. You'd pay that for a used one.

Actually that's a question.. Do the North American markets even get the R's thinner screen? There was some cost cutting elsewhere for those markets. The UK/EDM ones do alright.

If it's not a crack or large chip like Tom's was, you can also get the windscreen polished to very close to new. You can get a cheap enough kit to do it. Can take some elbow grease but gives good results.

dave7

I might be interested in polishing my windshield, and the other windows. My GS-R has water spots on the windows that don't want to come off.

dave7

You would put on a few spoon parts, and then of course you'd keep the stock parts right nearby. So then it'd be so easy to put back on stock. This is what I'm going to do. At least for when I take my R to the track or just want to go for a Sunday drive and throw on some spoon/mugen stuff.

94eg!

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The only current available part# at Acura is common for all 1994-2001 trim levels (and cost $500 online). 73111-ST7-A01

https://www.oemacuraparts.com/oem-pa...ZC1tYW51YWw%3D

Klasse

Does anyone know the actual thickness/weight/markings of the OEM thinner glass? Bought a used windscreen a while back apparently from a wrecked DB8R, it is OEM Honda but I would like to confirm it is Type R. Somehow.

feck

Interesting 94eg!. The UK/EDM part number is PFKL791435(Honda Europe seems to have their own parts numbers thing going on). On the other hand the JDM numbers start to get confusing. There are green tints, blue tints and a price difference between 986 and 1221 dollars. The rear screen(s) get even more confusing and very expensive. Right so folks, don't get our see through parts from Japan. The Acura part number is similar, but isn't in the list.

I have seen(and had) JDM SiR's and Type R and the windscreen on the latter is definitely thinner, shallower in the frame. Not by much now, but side by side it's visible alright. Weight saving and all that. Though a pub session involving a feed of Guinness and the next morning's unfortunate "evacuation" would make up for that. Actually that would probably make up the equivalent of leaving the spare tyre at home.




PS. For such a specialised pretty small worldwide run car it never ceases to interest me how variable they are. TBH it's why I didn't really like the JDM conversions that were popular in the US. I get that guys want to stamp their own personality and that's fantastic, but I love seeing the differences between all our R's. The slight differences between US years(and you guys got the centre console #jealous), the very cool and rare Canadian red back seats, the Swiss only yellow with yellow seats, the differences in wheel designs and sizes, all the JDM's etc. And now they're rapidly gaining "classic" status, us all trying to figure out what's what. In fairness I am odd.

Klasse

Call me odd too then...

forbiddenera

No, it's obviously not..and again, in your situation I would understand, I was mainly referring to the vast majority of people who pay for chip repairs when a replacement would cost about the same. Here, IIRC it's 40 to 60 per chip or something.

I personally didn't notice a difference much between my oem glass and aftermarket, other than the label in the corner. Huge improvement in visibility though at least while it was still new, lol. (I vape ecig and it coats the glass sometimes especially in winter)

Prices I said were CAD too. 1 cad is 0.57p .. so 200 cad is like 120quid.

I forgot the ITR had the lightened glass, but it looks like that may not be available anymore anyhow.

Tom B

Repainted my OEM rear lower tie bar and fitted with new OEM bolts.

Tom B

Went for a drive Saturday evening and pulled over for some pictures.

feck

Looking fantastic T. That car is a credit to you. *doffs hat*