tuning a stock gsr???
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tuning a stock gsr???
I have a 95 gsr with I/H/E. My question is that would it be worth trying to tune my motor (using hondata, h200, afc...)? would just be a waste of money? what kind of power gains would be able to squeeze out of the gsr?
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yea its worth it if u going the NA route, hondata will give u like a 10-15 hp gain....
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In all honesty, tuning for just intake, header, and an exhaust is not worth the investment, the power gains will be minimal, however there are gains to be made. Now, any further mods to the engine would be beneficial to get tuned to optimize the amount of fuel, ignition advance or retard, for your specific engines needs, and no a basemap doesn't cut it, they are just a starting point for your tuner and are just what someone thinks your engine wants, not what it actually needs. For just an intake, header and an exhaust, the stock ecu will compensate just fine.
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Tuning should be the last step in a build, unless your build is extreme enough that you need to tune as you go to keep things safe in the engine. I'd say a tune is worth it even for I/H/E if you aren't planning on going any farther, but obviously you'll get more out of a tune the more you've done.
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Count me as one of the few people who would tune a 100% stock car. With IHE mods, I certainly would want it tuned.
Yes, the ECU can compensate some. But really, the stock ECU is like running a basemap, it close enough to handle all the variations of the engine from manufacturing tolerances and such, but still not perfect for the exact engine its running. You'll get better power, mileage, and longevity from the tuning. I'd also wager that the power per dollar gain is better for tuning than any intake, header, or exhaust.
Yes, the ECU can compensate some. But really, the stock ECU is like running a basemap, it close enough to handle all the variations of the engine from manufacturing tolerances and such, but still not perfect for the exact engine its running. You'll get better power, mileage, and longevity from the tuning. I'd also wager that the power per dollar gain is better for tuning than any intake, header, or exhaust.
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Unless your idea of a build consists of an intake, exhaust, and a header, I disagree.
As said above, ANY engine can benefit from tunning. If the OP plans on taking this any further, now is a perfect time to invest in a tunning solution. Also, Any time you mess with the compression, valve lift, or introduce positive pressure, a tune is in order immediately.
As said above, ANY engine can benefit from tunning. If the OP plans on taking this any further, now is a perfect time to invest in a tunning solution. Also, Any time you mess with the compression, valve lift, or introduce positive pressure, a tune is in order immediately.
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Tuning a stock motor can be very benifical.. I probably tune 2 or 3 stock motors a week and people go to the track and notice a difference..
Anytime a mod is done, to make the most power a tuning should be done, some people can't afford that...
Tuning a stock motor is very well worth it..
Tuning a stock motor can be very benifical.. I probably tune 2 or 3 stock motors a week and people go to the track and notice a difference..
Anytime a mod is done, to make the most power a tuning should be done, some people can't afford that...
Tuning a stock motor is very well worth it..
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Tuning a stock motor can be very benifical.. I probably tune 2 or 3 stock motors a week and people go to the track and notice a difference..
Anytime a mod is done, to make the most power a tuning should be done, some people can't afford that...
Tuning a stock motor is very well worth it..
Tuning a stock motor can be very benifical.. I probably tune 2 or 3 stock motors a week and people go to the track and notice a difference..
Anytime a mod is done, to make the most power a tuning should be done, some people can't afford that...
Tuning a stock motor is very well worth it..
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As said above, ANY engine can benefit from tunning.
Also, Any time you mess with the compression, valve lift, or introduce positive pressure, a tune is in order immediately.
Also, Any time you mess with the compression, valve lift, or introduce positive pressure, a tune is in order immediately.
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Expensive, yes, but necessary. Thats why, when it comes to your engine, I don't recommend taking baby steps. Irrelevant to the original post, though.
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I can think of many "in between" scenarios that could potentially lead to catastrophic failure. All I'm saying is, alter the compression ratio or change the valve lift/duration in any way - tune. period.
I agree that with an intake and/or exhaust, tunning is not completely necessary. You may or may not see any gains without tunning, but the engine will not grenade.
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Very true, I also find it ironic when people get a basemap and think they have a tune. A basemap is just what one person thinks your motor wants in terms of fuel, ignition advance/retard, etc. as opposed to a tune which is tailored to the engines NEEDS. A basemap is just a starting point for a tuner and there are many factors that determine an engines needs that the person providing the basemap, even if it is your tuner, can't account for without actually tuning the engine whether that is a street tune or a dyno tune, with the latter being better.
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Very true, I also find it ironic when people get a basemap and think they have a tune. A basemap is just what one person thinks your motor wants in terms of fuel, ignition advance/retard, etc. as opposed to a tune which is tailored to the engines NEEDS. A basemap is just a starting point for a tuner and there are many factors that determine an engines needs that the person providing the basemap, even if it is your tuner, can't account for without actually tuning the engine whether that is a street tune or a dyno tune, with the latter being better.
I've tuned a ton of different cars.. and i offer those "tuned" maps to other people.. the main factor when choosing a good map is injectors..
If a guy like the OP has a GSR with just bolt ons, i have about 10 different GSRs with bolt ons i've tuned in the last month alone.. i can even go in depth.. and ask is the header a 421 or a 41..whats the exhaust piping, how bout the intake is a CAI or short, do you have a vstack.. i take my tunes very seriously.. i offer a tuned map for a small charge.. its not a **** in the wind map like other companies offer.
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Tuning is needed whenever you want every drop of hp as well as other reasons too. I would tune a gsr even if it had a 3inch intake, v-stack, and filter although it is not always necessary.
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great info guys. thanks.
my gsr isn't really something that I would take to the track. I have a buddy that gets about 40mpg with his d16 with a tune. I was just wondering if the gsr motors respond the same to a good tune.... but deffinently not looking to dump any more into the motor.
my gsr isn't really something that I would take to the track. I have a buddy that gets about 40mpg with his d16 with a tune. I was just wondering if the gsr motors respond the same to a good tune.... but deffinently not looking to dump any more into the motor.
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In all honesty, tuning for just intake, header, and an exhaust is not worth the investment, the power gains will be minimal, however there are gains to be made. Now, any further mods to the engine would be beneficial to get tuned to optimize the amount of fuel, ignition advance or retard, for your specific engines needs, and no a basemap doesn't cut it, they are just a starting point for your tuner and are just what someone thinks your engine wants, not what it actually needs. For just an intake, header and an exhaust, the stock ecu will compensate just fine.
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you can make decent amount by changing your vtec kick in around by getting a p28 chipped with basemap and the skunk2 intake because of u don’t you actually loose power because with the butterfly flap intake mani, vtec fully opens at 6500, if you want to make the intake manifold more benifit to you, u tune vtec half throttle kicks in 5500, ends 8200, full throttle kicks in 4800-8200, you will notice a big difference make sure it’s a OBD1 p28 and get a jumper harness if needed or what ever u need for an ecu if in original integra body mine is done in a 2000 civic coupe with a 99/00 SIR engine harness
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