tell me your experiences...cold air intake vs short ram
 

alright...seems like a newb question but i always see people argue whether to get a cold air intake or a short ram intake.personally based on my experience, i favor the short ram intake based on the simple installation and a bit quicker throttle response.I've heard some say that some dyno test showed that the short ram actaully out perform the cold air but I'm not sure.I've also heard that warmer air is better for fuel economy rather than cold air...Some say short ram provide better low end power compare to the cold air which some say provide better top end power...it's hard to argue which one is better....I did a wierd experiment on my 97 Ls Integra where I took off the air fliter from intake and attach it to the throttle bottle.The sound of the car is almost twice louder and I did notice a better low to mid acceleration but I felt it got a bit weaker as it got closer to top end on the rpm.You could hear air fliter suck in air faster sounding almost like a turbo...but with the whole intake attach to the throttle body I experienced a better top end power and a slightly weaker low to mid end.with the whole intake the sound of the car is a bit more quiet than just the air fliter itself.the sound of the motor sounds a bit more smooth and cleaner but with just the air fliter attach only to the throttle body man...god damm it sounds aggressive....would you sugguest it's worth getting the AEM v2 short ram or cold air intake...or would any intake perform just as well.

Re: tell me your experiences...cold air intake vs short ram (ILS_09)
 

the short ram is gonna get you a little bottom end and the cold air is gonna give you top end.. this topic has been discussed a thousand times!!!either way your still gaining like 5 horsepower!!if youre lucky i would buy the cheapest cold air setup i could find

Re: (merepink)
 

Just put a cold air on my buddies car. He had a short ram before. The difference in temp was the CAI was 40 degrees colder. Much better... https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/embeer.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

i like the short ram look but it is alot better with the cai cuz its taking in fresh air instead of hot engine air

Re: (illfaded)
 

I have AEM cold air on one DC and Ingen Short Ram on the other DC ... same difference https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif

Re: (LOVEthatDC2)
 

Your really not going to see much of a difference in power gains in an intake on a b series motor. I prefer running an SRI because of the risk of sucking up water into a CAI that would sit closer to the ground. They do make bypasses for CAI's that do not allow water to get through, but they are usually expensive. When it comes down to it, an intake is an intake your not really going to get much out of it. If anything just run a decent filter. https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (hardvtec90)
 

^ x 2.. I've had B,D, and a H series motor and ran both types of intake. About the only difference I've noticed is that a SRI is generally louder.. there's no discernible power difference to my highly tuned butt dyno either. Unless you plan on doing some other work to your car in the way of headwork, IM, EM or something like that where you can tune the car for some benefit, just get a K+N and keep the stock airbox.

Re: (illfaded)
 

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you could always cut the bottom of the lower air box out and still get fresh air. i would always favor the sri to the cai due to the risk of hydrolocking if you would happen to go through standing water, which i know is stupid and foolish anyway, but shit happens.

IMO, CAI is better. Its not loud enough to attract unwanted attention, cooler air + somewhat a ram air effect depending on the vehicle, and the sucking noise that is audible. Only bad is driving through puddles, but who does that with a CAI.

WAI is noisy, you suck in hot air=less HP, noticeable loss of power(for me), and is only good for when you have to convert your CAI in the rain(no hydrolock).

Re: (angel_i)
 

well i had the AEM SRI for my ls which is a 2.5inch pipe i think. i did a base dyno and then the shop hooked my up with a 3inch pipe and it made a diff. about 5whp. but better than nothing. this included tuning with my new motor.btw

I heard that the frequency of the sound waves being sucked in makes a difference in power, is it true?

ok i got a cai on my civic its not as loud as my integras sri for sure but i think colder air is better for the car than heat. btw my cai on my civic is by injen and the sri on my integra is an unknown brand.

Re: tell me your experiences...cold air intake vs short ram (ILS_09)
 

IceBox https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif

Re: (angel_i)
 

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hahaha wow

Re: (LOVEthatDC2)
 

I can say from personal experience that short ram is ftw. I've never tested my theory on the dyno, but going by my butt dyno, short ram is better. When I bought my previous em1, it had an injen short ram with a cold air extension. I ran it in cold air form for about 3-4 months. I decided to give my intake a try as short ram. I was pretty surprised at the results. The car felt quicker, responded to throttle better, and sounded better as an added bonus https://honda-tech.com/forums/images...s/emsmilep.gif . I was taking a friend to school at the time and even he noticed the difference. I think its more of a personal preference thing, but I prefer a short ram way before a cold air because of my above reasons and you do not have to worry about your filter getting wet.

Re: (grilledcheese33)
 

^That's probably Placebo. Fact of the matter is SRI sucks up hot air, CAI sucks up less hot air. More dense air has more oxygen. Other factors account for hp gains especially elevation. People seem to forget this and this is where the discrepancies lie. Cooler climates, less humidity, lower water level, barometric pressure. It all adds up. This is why certain cars run better on the east coast in certain times of the year because of track conditions. This is a subject that won't ever reach a sure agreement. I think based on all information and pure science CAI would be better. Short ram is generally cheaper and people get it just for the sound. I think the main thing people should worry about is the material used for the intake, and the diameter. Ambient air from the engine compartment WILL heat up the intake piping. Most companies sell them with metal piping, which heats up the air regardless. ABS would be the best, as in the K&N intake systems. Also a way to isolate the filter to get more cold air in.

COld air = hydrolocked motor

I was stupid and drove in the rain and didnt expect a 3ft deep puddle in the middle of the freeway and then bam motor seized threw a rod and everything https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emsad.gif

i use to have a short ram on my gsr and it was cool but i wanted a little more power so i got a aem v2.personally i think theres a big difference. i get alot more power. car pulls alot harder. the only thing is that you cant put a bypass on the v2 so when winter hits. either you dont drive your ride when its raining or switch back to short ram

Re: tell me your experiences...cold air intake vs short ram (ILS_09)
 

I just recently fabricated a DIY icebox style CAI. Essentially, I left the stock intake arm and airbox in place. I removed the resonator from the fender well and installed some 3" PVC drainpipe in its place. I do feel a difference in my otherwise stock LS. The difference is in the upper RPM range. It does appear to have more pull in the power band once you hit about 4200 rpm. But the most noticeable difference is above 6200. There used to be a noticeable drop in power/torque around 6200-6300 before - kinda like you switched the A/C on. Now that is gone and it's smooth all the way to 7000. And the sound is killer - quiet as stock until you get on it - then it growls.

Months ago, I had tried just removing resonator; leaving the stock airbox there with the bottom open. That was horrible. I think it actually lost some power. And the sound was awful - just an overly loud constant droning. The resonator went back in immediately. Don't ever try that - complete waste of time.

But the DIY Icebox style intake gets a big https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif https://honda-tech.com/forums/images/smilies/emthup.gif .

The cost is about $30 total vs. $200 for a real Comptech Icebox kit. That cost obviously doesn't include the K&N drop-in filter I purchased a while back for the stock airbox. I am still waiting on a 3" speaker horn to arrive to put on the end of the piping to act as a sort of velocity stack. This setup also has another advantage over the typical CAI setup in that the air filter is still in the stock location up high. This virtually eliminates the water hazard because it is impossible to submerge the filter. Once I get that speaker port, I'll finalize the whole setup including drilling a small hole in the first bend for water to escape.

azianretard, what did you expect to happen under those conditions? It's fairly hard to submerge an intake unless it's a deep body of water. 3 feet will definitely do it. They do make a bypass for the intake that'll eliminate that problem. I never really looked up the advantages/disadvantages but i know for a fact it does work. Also your statement is so broad... The possibility of hydrolock YES, doesn't necessarily mean your intake WILL suck up water.