SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
So I have a fresh b18c1 longblock put together, with all new parts on it, and all oem. I'm trying to set my timing belt on, and i got my cams lined up with the marks matching up and the crank pulley with the white dot on the timing mark. When I go to tension the belt it will take up the slack on the exhaust side and I'll tighten the bolt spin it around to bring back around to check the timing.
When I come back around the marks on the cams don't match up it's close but off and i have to go past about 5 degree's on the crank to get the cams to line up. I tried numerous times to get it to be perfect but I can't get it for the life of me. Does everything need to be super perfect or can i adjust this by the ignition timing? |
Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Line everything to TDC then install the belt. Crank, tensioner, waterpump, exhaust cam then intake cam. Once you get the belt on tighten down the tensioner. Turn the crank counter clockwise two or three times to make sure everything spins freely and then line it back up to TDC. Make sure everything is still at TDC, loosen the tensioner and turn the motor 3 teeth and tighten down the tensioner to 40ft lbs.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
that's what I'm donig Moua, but the timing is always off when i tension the belt.
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Has the head or block been milled or decked? I was having the same issue before, make sure the crank pulley key has no play at all.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Make sure everthing is in-time to start, install the t-belt begining on the top of the intake cam, then to the exhaust cam, then to the crank, removing as much slack as you can without moving either camshaft or crank pulley then (skipping the tensioner) to the water pump, the belt should not be on the tensioner yet, just kind of pulled infont of it...make sure you have no slack at all on any part of the belt except at the tensioner (where the belt is not yet on). Make sure your tensioner is loose, then pull the tensioner enough until you can slip the belt on. Double check there is no slack on the front of the timing belt (between the exhaust cam and crank pulley) and between the two cam gears on top.
Install your crank pulley with pulley allignment key and bolt (tighten crank pulley bolt finger tight) and rotate the engine COUNTER-clockwise 3 teeth turning the crank pulley by hand (looking at the movement of the cams) and then tighten the tension to 40 ft.lbs. (rotating is easyest done without spark plugs installed. Now rotate the crankshaft pulley counter-clockwise until your camshafts have made ONE full rotation ( keep in mind your crank will spin twice) slowly stopping when the two timing marks line up on the cams line up and the "up" arrows on the cams are obviously...pointing up, remove your crank pulley, and check that the pointer mark on the oil pump housing and dot on the timing belt crank pulley line up. |
Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
The correct procedure is what I have posted. The crank is always the first thing the belt should go on.
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I measured the block and it has been decked about .010 the head was resurfaced so about .003 was taken off.
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still trying to get it to line up -.- it's always half a tooth off on the exhaust side when the crank goes TDC
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How does your crank pulley key seat look like? Any damage to it?
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by mouab18c1
(Post 45841869)
Line everything to TDC then install the belt. Crank, tensioner, waterpump, exhaust cam then intake cam. Once you get the belt on tighten down the tensioner. Turn the crank counter clockwise two or three times to make sure everything spins freely and then line it back up to TDC. Make sure everything is still at TDC, loosen the tensioner and turn the motor 3 teeth and tighten down the tensioner to 40ft lbs.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by lolv8s
(Post 51419124)
when you say turn the motor three teeth, do you mean counter clockwise? Or clockwise? And when you say teeth you mean cam gear teeth right?
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
get the cam lock tool, totally worth it to make life easier:
For Honda Acura B Series Engine Cam Gear Lock Timing Belt Installation Tool Blue will send you a link to shop manual, cant post it here or it's a virtual paddlin. |
Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by thewrai6th
(Post 51419333)
counter clockwise, otherwise your belt will be loose.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by tamboo
(Post 51419514)
get the cam lock tool, totally worth it to make life easier:
For Honda Acura B Series Engine Cam Gear Lock Timing Belt Installation Tool Blue will send you a link to shop manual, cant post it here or it's a virtual paddlin. |
Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by thewrai6th
(Post 51419333)
counter clockwise, otherwise your belt will be loose.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/honda-t...2948d8416.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/honda-t...632382f83.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/honda-t...970840442.jpeg
Originally Posted by lolv8s
(Post 51442653)
I’m just turning the cam gears back three teeth right?
Originally Posted by thewrai6th
(Post 51419333)
counter clockwise, otherwise your belt will be loose.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by lolv8s
(Post 51442976)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/honda-t...632382f83.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/honda-t...970840442.jpeg I ended up with this. What do you think? I just got everything tdc and put the belt on. I didn’t need that gear stabilizer? What am I doing wrong? |
Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Are you using a gsr timing belt by chance? Ls has 125 teeth vs the 126 on the gsr. I've had a friend get the wrong belt and we had the same problem.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by qfast817
(Post 51444543)
Are you using a gsr timing belt by chance? Ls has 125 teeth vs the 126 on the gsr. I've had a friend get the wrong belt and we had the same problem.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
I just re-read the first post, are you using a gsr short block and a ls head? In the pics that's a non vtec head.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Originally Posted by qfast817
(Post 51445225)
I just re-read the first post, are you using a gsr short block and a ls head? In the pics that's a non vtec head.
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Re: SETTING TIMING BELT TDC B18C1
Ok if you still have a problem you can turn the belt till its tdc and see how much it's off, take the belt off and rest the crank then the cams off set them by what was off by, turn 3 teeth tighten up the tensioner turn it over till on tdc it should pick up that slack.
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