Whiterice-gsr

ok i currently have 300 hp on my stock block, I am boosted and i know i could easily just turn it up and make 400 but who knows how long that will last so i'd just like to hear from anyone who is making more than 300 and how they got there so i can make an educated decision which route to go. I have been exploring meth injection and e85 fuel. keep in mind i dd this car in the summer and the price of e85 is alot and there is only one station in a 150k radius of me that sells it, im not afraid to push the envelope and try new things because if i blow it up that just means i get to build a new one (yay) lol. but the goal here is to still get to 400 on a stock block just because i wanna see if i can.

Gsrsi

Your sleeves will give out.

D.A9 GUY

build the bottom end and it should be reliable......... but after 400hp its a coin toss..

nahonda04

if you only daily drive this in the summer you should be fine with 400 on the stock block keeping in mind your not beating the **** out of it every time you get in the car. ive seen multiple people in my area that only dd their toys in the summer with over 400 on the stock block...


only mod i would really do is arp rod bolts.

DPancoast

im making 300whp on a bored/sleeved (84mm 2.0l) b18b1 w/forged internals on 550cc injectors at 15lbs of boost.

people tell me I just need to switch to a vtec head, bigger injectors and I'll be over 400 lol.

cant be that hard from where you are now. just do some research on setups. theres a thread on team-integra.net with peoples setups/numbers. hundreds of them.

Whiterice-gsr

see your motor can handle 400 no prob i would totally change the head if i was you i make 300 with 10 psi and 450cc injectors i really wanna hear from some more people with meth injection. I'll check team integra now.

Mr. EG

I personally wouldn't feel comfortable on a stock internal motor. Can it be done, yes. Is it practical, no. The sleeves will support it, but the tune must be spot on.

Whiterice-gsr

the guy that tuned my car is amazing i trust him completely, like i said its no biggie if i blow it its more of an experiment that i want to try because everyone says i cant do it with stock block so i would like to prove them all wrong and if it lasts a whole summer i would consider that success because i beat the crap out of my car and drive tons of k's. so if theres anyone out there who wants to try something but is worried about motor damage shoot me your ideas and i'll give it a try and see what happens lol.

el crapitan

so how stock are we talking? does it have head studs?
whether e85 or water/meth, you're still trying to stuff more air into a given space. sure, you'll reduce the chance of knock. but that's not the only enemy. with increased cylinder pressures something's gotta give.
if you don't have studs, that'll be the first place. if you do, it'll be your rod bolts.
it sounds more like you're looking for an opportunity to blow this thing up and have some fun doing it. then you can start over again with the same setup but build up the motor a bit stronger. which is fine. just not as cost efficient as building what you have now.
really, on an untouched bottom end, there's just too many variables. if you're beating on it as it is now, i don't think it would last long at all at 400hp regardless of how you achieve it.
it's a tough call. because if you do go in and throw rod bolts at it, you may as well swap to some forged rods and better pistons. before you know it, you're spending money hand over fist since "you're already in there".
i guess that didn't help much. you probably knew all that already.

i guess the real question is, how deep are your pockets?

Whiterice-gsr

lol not deep because im saving for a s2k which is why i was hoping for cheap cheap like meth or or e85 and run 2 maps, the motor is bone stock original oem headgasket still, i would be willing to do rod bolts and head studs and gasket but rods themselves is where i would draw the line cost wise, i do know they are a weak point but how weak. i guess i was just hoping for someone to tell me what i wanna hear. 300 is good but i just want that little more but im sure ill be saying the same if i get to 400 lol maybe ill keep an eye out for a built motor on someones incomplete project up for sale and see what i can do. spring is just around the corner and people will start posting!

DirtyDA9

Methanol, E85, a little more boost, and a great tune.

el crapitan

honestly, if you're saving up for an s2k (great choice, btw), i wouldn't touch a thing. blowing the motor tends to decrease the resale value lol.
as stated, regardless of how your power is achieved, that stock motor can only handle so much, and imo, you're skating on thin ice as it is

GagnarTheUnruly

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I don't really see the point of this TBH. The limits of stock components are thoroughly explored and if you cut corners and blow the motor or dodge a bullet for one summer, either way it won't be proving anything. You'll just be adding your name to a long list of people who have tried pushing a stock block to the limit and either gotten lucky or killed their engine. There's no point in doing it when stronger components are readily available.

If you really want 400 whp do it right, and if you don't want to do it right because you don't want to invest a lot more into this car right now, then just be happy with 300 whp, IMO.

Whiterice-gsr

ok im gonna try meth injection any opinion on kits or brands? and the reason i continue is because im driven to tinker i will not be able to afford a s2k this year, maybe next summer, but i must tinker lol. im sure alot of ppl here know exactly what i mean. im not quite finished with the teg yet.

DirtyDA9

IMO, if you want to tinker, build the suspension and stuff. Leave the engine as is, and mess with the suspension, maybe throw some Bride seats and a roll bar in it.

el crapitan

OR, if you want to tinker, start tinkering on that bottom end lol

DirtyDA9

^^ true that.

CleanLikeJdm

Why are e85 and meth even being mentioned? It's not like 400 is some ungodly number.

el crapitan

no, of course it's not. but on a completely stock b18b...

DirtyDA9

Because he doesn't want to open up the engine?

SLVR08

i'm looking into the same info, currently running 17lbs on E85 street tuned. looking for some free time to dyno and get some #'s

bryan24207

my friend who owns a shop down here called "speedfactory" is running stock sleeves and only put the arp studs n bolts and hes making some ridiculous power running a 6262 turbo and puts down almost a 10 second flat..i wanna say hes over 650whp..but i cant remember last time its been dynoed

nahonda04

to the OP all you need is rod bolts, head studs and a good tune, you will be fine running 400 as dd in the summer...you can even throw e85 in there is you want but you will net a lot less gas mileage. i wouldnt even consider of doing meth injection setup for something this basic...its time to man up cupcake and take the motor apart a lil bit and add these two or three(e85) parts to get to your goal of 400...yes on stock block, you will be fine.

DirtyDA9

I call BS, sleeves would have given out before 500hp. And with stock pistons and rods? Come on now.

bryan24207

he doesnt DD it, it only gets dyno tuned and trailered to the track..he's pushing to see how much power he can make before the stock block gives..if i was him id drive the damn thing..lol..its still street legal and ****..and lemme find a youtube link or something im sure he has some