Ls vtec or full gsr swap?
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Re: Ls vtec or full gsr swap?
OP sucks for posting this and causing all this drama and wasting out time then not even having the decency to respond
Big :thumbsdown: for you
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09-25-2010, 09:41 AM
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wow sorry to bring up a old thread but wow.
cant believe in this day and age ppl still crying lsv is unreliable as in if trial and errors have not been done and concluded. no ish a lsv will have problems? you know how ppl dont do them right. ppl are still tapping heads the wrong way, ppl are still using oem headgaskets, ppl are still doing alot of things that they dont understand what there doing.
of course a ls block or for any matter any block can handle being pushed 1k or sometime 2k over redline. ish willl happen thats why companies like golden eagle,cometic,blox,t1, have products for lsv. nowadays you can buy the parts that's needed to do a proper lsv and will smoke any stock r and def any stock gsr
cant believe in this day and age ppl still crying lsv is unreliable as in if trial and errors have not been done and concluded. no ish a lsv will have problems? you know how ppl dont do them right. ppl are still tapping heads the wrong way, ppl are still using oem headgaskets, ppl are still doing alot of things that they dont understand what there doing.
of course a ls block or for any matter any block can handle being pushed 1k or sometime 2k over redline. ish willl happen thats why companies like golden eagle,cometic,blox,t1, have products for lsv. nowadays you can buy the parts that's needed to do a proper lsv and will smoke any stock r and def any stock gsr
09-25-2010, 10:56 AM
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wow sorry to bring up a old thread but wow.
cant believe in this day and age ppl still crying lsv is unreliable as in if trial and errors have not been done and concluded. no ish a lsv will have problems? you know how ppl dont do them right. ppl are still tapping heads the wrong way, ppl are still using oem headgaskets, ppl are still doing alot of things that they dont understand what there doing.
of course a ls block or for any matter any block can handle being pushed 1k or sometime 2k over redline. ish willl happen thats why companies like golden eagle,cometic,blox,t1, have products for lsv. nowadays you can buy the parts that's needed to do a proper lsv and will smoke any stock r and def any stock gsr
cant believe in this day and age ppl still crying lsv is unreliable as in if trial and errors have not been done and concluded. no ish a lsv will have problems? you know how ppl dont do them right. ppl are still tapping heads the wrong way, ppl are still using oem headgaskets, ppl are still doing alot of things that they dont understand what there doing.
of course a ls block or for any matter any block can handle being pushed 1k or sometime 2k over redline. ish willl happen thats why companies like golden eagle,cometic,blox,t1, have products for lsv. nowadays you can buy the parts that's needed to do a proper lsv and will smoke any stock r and def any stock gsr
09-25-2010, 12:03 PM
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Re: Ls vtec or full gsr swap?
wow cant believe you even said that. im guessing you think its hella expensive to do a right lsv?. and maybe im some super builder or maybe where im from we know something that nobody else dont know. my b20 with a completely stock gsr head exhaust,intake and coil smoked my buddies r up and down the hway years ago. i didnt come close to $1000 on parts and ran it for a year no prob
09-25-2010, 01:15 PM
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wow cant believe you even said that. im guessing you think its hella expensive to do a right lsv?. and maybe im some super builder or maybe where im from we know something that nobody else dont know. my b20 with a completely stock gsr head exhaust,intake and coil smoked my buddies r up and down the hway years ago. i didnt come close to $1000 on parts and ran it for a year no prob
also, a b20 is not an lsv, it's a b20v, there is a displacement advantage over the R. a stock 20v with a gsr head and single runner manifold in a similar weight car should be 2-4 tenths quicker than a stock R, if given R cams it's a solid 4 tenths, maybe 5. so, if drag racing is your thing it's a cheap way to go for the short term but i have seen more than a few of these fly apart. one of my friends did make it something like 25 nights of drag racing on a stock 20 bottom end before it died. from my point of view that was really a long life for a crv engine going to 8600
what surprised me the most about the stock R vs a b20v is where the b20 is faster, it's above 60mph. i raced one last year in my stock R and it was dead even till 60mph or so, above that was where i was watching him pull, it was 3rd gear on. same gears too. the race came out to 14.8@96 and change to 14.5@98 and change. 60ft times were similar and everything. i seriously expected the higher torque curve to show itself earlier.
09-25-2010, 07:29 PM
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upgrade your radiator and add an oil cooler if you can swing it. heat is going to be your new biggest enemy.
if e85 is available in your area, i would suggest building your car around it.
09-27-2010, 01:43 PM
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and i doubt it would make it an entire day at the track on an aggressive lap day. a stock b20 can not take sustained high rpm driving. a stock R can. even in street driving, a stock itr can go 200k and that's not being driven gently. do you seriously think a b20v can achieve this in stock form?
also, a b20 is not an lsv, it's a b20v, there is a displacement advantage over the R. a stock 20v with a gsr head and single runner manifold in a similar weight car should be 2-4 tenths quicker than a stock R, if given R cams it's a solid 4 tenths, maybe 5. so, if drag racing is your thing it's a cheap way to go for the short term but i have seen more than a few of these fly apart. one of my friends did make it something like 25 nights of drag racing on a stock 20 bottom end before it died. from my point of view that was really a long life for a crv engine going to 8600
what surprised me the most about the stock R vs a b20v is where the b20 is faster, it's above 60mph. i raced one last year in my stock R and it was dead even till 60mph or so, above that was where i was watching him pull, it was 3rd gear on. same gears too. the race came out to 14.8@96 and change to 14.5@98 and change. 60ft times were similar and everything. i seriously expected the higher torque curve to show itself earlier.
also, a b20 is not an lsv, it's a b20v, there is a displacement advantage over the R. a stock 20v with a gsr head and single runner manifold in a similar weight car should be 2-4 tenths quicker than a stock R, if given R cams it's a solid 4 tenths, maybe 5. so, if drag racing is your thing it's a cheap way to go for the short term but i have seen more than a few of these fly apart. one of my friends did make it something like 25 nights of drag racing on a stock 20 bottom end before it died. from my point of view that was really a long life for a crv engine going to 8600
what surprised me the most about the stock R vs a b20v is where the b20 is faster, it's above 60mph. i raced one last year in my stock R and it was dead even till 60mph or so, above that was where i was watching him pull, it was 3rd gear on. same gears too. the race came out to 14.8@96 and change to 14.5@98 and change. 60ft times were similar and everything. i seriously expected the higher torque curve to show itself earlier.
i dont know you or how long you been building but here in boston i been doing it for a very long time we ran and still do run b20v, lsv, type r, h2b doesnt matter some of these dudes been running there setup for a while and you here talking about i must have never ran it hard at the track
the same street i live on the dragway on. and yea i go to the track and granny shift and run 19''s your stating what your setup or what you have ran if you didnt know by now its 2010 how your driving style similar to mine im guessing because of how i write you know and wow 14.5 @98 well i ran a 14.099 @105 could have ran a 13.9 if i would have ran lower psi. so before you start throwing out numbers of what your car ran or the guy you ran ask or do a little research
09-28-2010, 06:24 AM
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No K series out the box will deliver the Performance for Cost ratio as an H Series, namely the TYPE S which can always be done for less then half the money of a K and still put down as much if not more power. The ECU alone to run a K series in another chasis runs close to 2500 depending where you're getting it from, that's absolutely insane to spend on when u can get the same or better results out the box with an H.
Kseries own H22s... H22s are very capable engines but its gonna take ALOT to outperform a K20... It would take a shitload of bolt ons to keep up with a RBC'd K20 in equal chassis...
ive seen a full interior EG hatch with a fat 300lb driver run 13.0 in complete stock k20... Your never gonna do that with a h22... If your the type that likes gutting your car there are people running deep in the 12s withs RBC'd K20s... That same car was pulling on a 8-10psi Type SH prelude... And I was riding in the k20hatch and I weigh 275 with a 300lb driver... Vs The Turbo Lude with 165lb driver and his 120 girlfriend... I couldnt beleive it cuz I use to own an 01 Type SH...
If you knew what you were talking bout... You would know that its really the transmission... Honda put an arm and leg into those trannies... And they really wake up when swapped into a lighter chassis... Even tho H22 motors puts out good numbers... Their trannies are garbage...
It simply comes down to a if you want a stock engine and keep the honda reliability to run 12s or you want an h22 with I,H,E cams, intake manifold, tune and maybe more to do the same...
Their gonna cost the same amount...
And you should really know what you talking bout... Kpro cost $1020 brandnew... And I seen go as cheap as $800 used...
Get ur facts str8 buddy...
09-28-2010, 11:49 AM
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wow what have h-t come to im lucky i been doing this for a while. because if i was a noob i be sooooooooo confused or clueless. i cant believe ppl are still spilling out misinformation or dont have a clue what there talking about.
i dont know you or how long you been building but here in boston i been doing it for a very long time we ran and still do run b20v, lsv, type r, h2b doesnt matter some of these dudes been running there setup for a while and you here talking about i must have never ran it hard at the track the same street i live on the dragway on. and yea i go to the track and granny shift and run 19''s your stating what your setup or what you have ran if you didnt know by now its 2010 how your driving style similar to mine im guessing because of how i write you know
and wow 14.5 @98 well i ran a 14.099 @105 could have ran a 13.9 if i would have ran lower psi. so before you start throwing out numbers of what your car ran or the guy you ran ask or do a little research
i dont know you or how long you been building but here in boston i been doing it for a very long time we ran and still do run b20v, lsv, type r, h2b doesnt matter some of these dudes been running there setup for a while and you here talking about i must have never ran it hard at the track
the same street i live on the dragway on. and yea i go to the track and granny shift and run 19''s your stating what your setup or what you have ran if you didnt know by now its 2010 how your driving style similar to mine im guessing because of how i write you know and wow 14.5 @98 well i ran a 14.099 @105 could have ran a 13.9 if i would have ran lower psi. so before you start throwing out numbers of what your car ran or the guy you ran ask or do a little research
if you were at 105 the car was either a good deal lighter than 2650 or the engine was more powerful.
if you're telling me a stock b20 bottom end and stock gsr head, with stock gsr cams took a stock weight integra to 105mph in the 1/4 i would have to see it to believe it. that's a little outside the norms.
09-28-2010, 12:57 PM
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if you were at 105 the car was either a good deal lighter than 2650 or the engine was more powerful.
if you're telling me a stock b20 bottom end and stock gsr head, with stock gsr cams took a stock weight integra to 105mph in the 1/4 i would have to see it to believe it. that's a little outside the norms.
if you're telling me a stock b20 bottom end and stock gsr head, with stock gsr cams took a stock weight integra to 105mph in the 1/4 i would have to see it to believe it. that's a little outside the norms.
11-22-2011, 12:43 PM
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Well next time don't buy parts from a scrap yard to built it...I got ls vtec on mine going on 2 years and being the **** off it and I see gsr I'm my rear mirror all the time and now I'm going turbo on it... not to hate but some people do it right and some cut comers and it comes out like ****....
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if it's all motor it has to be big, i've never seen a 1.8L push past 230ish-whp. come to think about it, i wonder what the HP wall really is at 1.8L it's either rpm limited or cylinder head limited
back to endyn again. they did an article about a road race 300hp B series they built but it was a 2.2L based on the dart block
back to endyn again. they did an article about a road race 300hp B series they built but it was a 2.2L based on the dart block
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