danteisme's 1996 DB8-Found and Rebuild Thread
#752
Re: danteisme's 1996 DB8-Found and Rebuild Thread
Oh, and updating for the car issues. I'll write more details after I do some more driving around with my scanner hooked up in the live feed mode and get some more information. It looks like when i get the crazy hesitation/bogging/backfiring/no power it is when the car is attempting to go into closed loop mode. After the car fights with itself, it states OL drive conditions on the scanner and it goes back into open loop and the car runs fine. So, all of my issues are coming from when the car is attempting to go into closed loop. However, it does not attempt to go into closed loop all the time. Normally with here and there driving (30 minutes or less), the car doesnt try to get into closed loop, it just stays in OL and says either OL-Drive conditions or OL-CL not ready on the scanner.
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Re: danteisme's 1996 DB8-Found and Rebuild Thread
Did you tap into any wires for your VAFC or on the harness you were using?
You're OBD2a I believe...maybe try another ecu? If you dont know anyone with an ecu to borrow and you're willing to pay the cost of shipping back, I'll send you my ecu to swap in and see if there's a difference? Just let me know and i'll pull it from the car.
You're OBD2a I believe...maybe try another ecu? If you dont know anyone with an ecu to borrow and you're willing to pay the cost of shipping back, I'll send you my ecu to swap in and see if there's a difference? Just let me know and i'll pull it from the car.
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Re: danteisme's 1996 DB8-Found and Rebuild Thread
Did you tap into any wires for your VAFC or on the harness you were using?
You're OBD2a I believe...maybe try another ecu? If you dont know anyone with an ecu to borrow and you're willing to pay the cost of shipping back, I'll send you my ecu to swap in and see if there's a difference? Just let me know and i'll pull it from the car.
You're OBD2a I believe...maybe try another ecu? If you dont know anyone with an ecu to borrow and you're willing to pay the cost of shipping back, I'll send you my ecu to swap in and see if there's a difference? Just let me know and i'll pull it from the car.
I am OBD2A, i havent had any luck so far finding a spare ECU. I would definitely pay the cost of shipping if you are willing to do that. that would be awesome!
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Can't say i've ever really opened one of these up, but I dont see anything glaringly wrong?
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Re: danteisme's 1996 DB8-Found and Rebuild Thread
PM me your address and i'll pull the ecu out either this evening or tomorrow morning. I'll ship it out tomorrow afternoon.
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I'm just adding some more observations. So, when my car acts all goofy and sputters and dies etc..., it only does it under load when its trying to get into closed loop. If i pop in the clutch or put it in neutral, it free revs with no hang ups. As soon as i put it back in gear and try to go (if it is still trying to get into closed loop) it hestitats and pops and sputters. The closest thing that i can describe the sound to is it sounds almost like launch control. Obviously, no where near as loud.
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Re: danteisme's 1996 DB8-Found and Rebuild Thread
Under load an engine uses much more fuel than just revving in neutral, I think it's worth checking the fuel pressure at the rail under load. Think about how much throttle input it takes to maintain 4000rpm in neutral vs trying to accelerate from 4000rpm....the throttle will be open more, therefore letting in more air, and requiring more fuel.
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Yea, it wouldn't hurt to check the fuel pressure at the rail. Though I doubt it has anything to do with the ecu not getting readings from the O2 sensor and staying in open loop, it's still not a bad preventative maintenance thing to do. Have you gotten the loaner ecu yet?
#765
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ECU loaner should be here this week. I was working on bleeding out the cooling system on the car yesterday and luckily enough the car started to act goofy while i was directly in front of my fuel pressure gauge. When the car started to stumble and nearly stop running, fuel pressure gauge stayed constant. I also checked the gauge while i was revving the car. The gauge would spike but then level itself out to a constant pressure reading.
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I just checked on that this morning. I still smell a faint smell of oil hitting the exhaust somewhere, but there is no more oil puddle under the car when i park it. I've put about 600 miles on the car now since getting it back on the road. I'll get the car up in the air this weekend and take a closer look.
And i did check the oil level too, because the first thing i thought was, "oh crap, i hope the reason i'm not seeing oil on the floor of the garage isnt because there is no oil in the car now" lol. Oil level was right where it needed to be.
I really hope i get this odd issue straightened out with this open loop vs closed loop nonsense. At that point, small oil leak aside, the car is 100% mechanical wise. When the car is running in open loop, the car runs really well. It just still has that hiccup occasionally when it tries to get into closed loop.
And i did check the oil level too, because the first thing i thought was, "oh crap, i hope the reason i'm not seeing oil on the floor of the garage isnt because there is no oil in the car now" lol. Oil level was right where it needed to be.
I really hope i get this odd issue straightened out with this open loop vs closed loop nonsense. At that point, small oil leak aside, the car is 100% mechanical wise. When the car is running in open loop, the car runs really well. It just still has that hiccup occasionally when it tries to get into closed loop.
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Adding some more observations while i'm driving. I put some miles on the car with my scan tool connected in "live" mode to see what things were reading out as. Which doesnt mean they are reading correctly, but its a starting point. I missed the picture of the first screen, but here are the ST and LT fuel trim and O2 sensor readings right after startup before the car really gets warmed up.
And after the car is at operating temp. The really is no change.
I still have to go through the manual to see if any of these readings are in range with what they are supposed to be. I think its worth noting that whenever the car has its issue and tries to go into closed loop, the readings for the primary O2 sensor go to something like -36 and bounce around. I am 90% sure the readings for the secondary sensory stay at 0. I'm on "staycation" from work next week so i plan to do some further investigating into this car's odd issue.
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Update: so the oil leak is still definitely there. I parked the car for about 2 days and you could see the oil under the car. With that in mind, is it easy or feasible to straighten out my current oil pan lip? Or should i just start saving up for a new one?
I also disconnected the VAFC 2 for about a week now, just to doubly check it is not affecting the open loop / closed loop issue. It is not, but i did find out something else. When i had my car tuned with the VACF2, i am thinking it was for peak hp and tq, or this guy had no idea what he was doin. I didnt know much about cars then, so i just assumed being a professional tuner that he tuned it the best it could be. Well, it runs and drives SO MUCH BETTER without the VAFC2 plugged in. The power is delivery is smooth, VTEC doesnt punch you in the face like it did with the VAFC... Overall, it is just a nice smooth transition throughout the RPM range whether i am just driving or aggressively driving. The butt dyno says no loss in HP, not noticeably anyways....so i think i'm going to leave that disconnected.
I also disconnected the VAFC 2 for about a week now, just to doubly check it is not affecting the open loop / closed loop issue. It is not, but i did find out something else. When i had my car tuned with the VACF2, i am thinking it was for peak hp and tq, or this guy had no idea what he was doin. I didnt know much about cars then, so i just assumed being a professional tuner that he tuned it the best it could be. Well, it runs and drives SO MUCH BETTER without the VAFC2 plugged in. The power is delivery is smooth, VTEC doesnt punch you in the face like it did with the VAFC... Overall, it is just a nice smooth transition throughout the RPM range whether i am just driving or aggressively driving. The butt dyno says no loss in HP, not noticeably anyways....so i think i'm going to leave that disconnected.
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I tried to take a couple of videos of the car acting up. You may need to turn up your speakers to hear it in the first video, the second video is pretty noticeable.
And a couple of new pics because why not.
Supporting the people that help me out
And a pic of the car from my front porch, looking very dirty.
And a couple of new pics because why not.
Supporting the people that help me out
And a pic of the car from my front porch, looking very dirty.